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Old 02-24-2010, 09:17 AM
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Default Mini Doxie found vicious for biting a vet tech

All I can say to this is . . . what the heck?

YesBiscuit!: CO Vet's Office FAIL

I used to have a cat that attempted to murder anyone in a white coat at the vet's office . . . claws, fangs, the whole business. He really was "vicious", at least towards the vet. It never occurred to anyone to declare him "vicious" in a legal sense, even after he shredded a vet who ignored my warning. Admittedly, that's a cat, not a dog, but animals freak out at the vet . . . its not ideal, its something to avoid, but it happens. Scared animals bite. Animals are scared at the vet. What is with these people?
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Old 02-24-2010, 09:29 AM
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So when the owner was told at the Vet visit to hold her dog and the technician put her face up to Spork's, he bit the technician's chin.
The so called Vet Tech should have known not to put their face in the dogs face. I'd say the technician was at fault and perhaps they are in the wrong profession.

Unlike most dogs Lola loves going to the vet. When the vet or vet tech gives her a shot I am the one that turns away and winces, Lola just sits their like nothing happened without even making the slightest yelp.
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Old 02-24-2010, 09:34 AM
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The so called Vet Tech should have known not to put their face in the dogs face. I'd say the technician was at fault and perhaps they are in the wrong profession.

Unlike most dogs Lola loves going to the vet. When the vet or vet tech gives her a shot I am the one that turns away and winces, Lola just sits their like nothing happened without even making the slightest yelp.
Actually, Sarama loves the vet too . . . it differs from animal to animal. Yes, the putting her face up was a real winner wasn't it? I think its beside the point, however . . .
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Old 02-24-2010, 09:39 AM
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Sounds like bull to me. The tech made mistakes, something bad happened, I don't think the dog should be declared vicious for it. I noticed too that it said Layfayette's law exempts Vet offices from the biting laws..........so I really don't understand why this family even NEEDED a lawyer, it shouldn't even be a case!

This statement from that blog owner bothered me though:

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Little dogs bite. Unlike big dogs, they can not physically resist something that makes them feel uncomfortable.
I understand they are smaller and face more hazards throughout the day than a bigger dog, but to excuse biting in general because they "can not physically resist" uncomfortable things..........nope, don't buy it. I think that's a load, and just excuse making for certain ill mannered little dogs. Things make big dogs uncomfortable as well, I expect MINE to choose better than biting. Just because a smaller dog doesn't create as much damage as a bigger one is no reason to let bad behavior go and make excuses for them. Period.
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Old 02-24-2010, 09:46 AM
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Sounds like bull to me. The tech made mistakes, something bad happened, I don't think the dog should be declared vicious for it. I noticed too that it said Layfayette's law exempts Vet offices from the biting laws..........so I really don't understand why this family even NEEDED a lawyer, it shouldn't even be a case!

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I understand they are smaller and face more hazards throughout the day than a bigger dog, but to excuse biting in general because they "can not physically resist" uncomfortable things..........nope, don't buy it. I think that's a load, and just excuse making for certain ill mannered little dogs. Things make big dogs uncomfortable as well, I expect MINE to choose better than biting. Just because a smaller dog doesn't create as much damage as a bigger one is no reason to let bad behavior go and make excuses for them. Period.
I didn't read it as an excuse. In my experience, little dogs do bite more than larger dogs, and not only because they are more likely to be poorly behaved. I've seen enough little dogs cornered, manhandled, and stepped on that then snap to think that they are biting for that reason: because they are tiny and have no other defense. That doesn't mean that all little dogs that bite do so because they are just defending themselves . . . many are wretches. But something that might not frighten a larger dog can be very scary to an animal that weighs six pounds and comes up to your ankle.
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What was the vet tech doing with her face close to an obviously stressed animal? Big or small is beside the point.
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I didn't read it as an excuse. In my experience, little dogs do bite more than larger dogs, and not only because they are more likely to be poorly behaved. I've seen enough little dogs cornered, manhandled, and stepped on that then snap to think that they are biting for that reason: because they are tiny and have no other defense. That doesn't mean that all little dogs that bite do so because they are just defending themselves . . . many are wretches. But something that might not frighten a larger dog can be very scary to an animal that weighs six pounds and comes up to your ankle.
No argument there. I agree that little dogs tend to bite way more often than bigger dogs..........they DO face more hazards as well. But to say "can not physically resist biting in uncomfortable situations" Is an excuse IMO. Why can't they "physically resist" ?? If they are trained and EXPECTED to "physically resist biting" when scared or uncomfortable, they normally DO resist unless it's an extreme circumstance, and my dogs would most likely bite in extreme cases as well.......it isn't a size thing.

Am I being a Size-ist? LOL, I don't mean to be........it's just that statement hit me wrong and I don't understand how that claim can be made.

Also, just so we are clear............this has NOTHING to do with Spork being declared vicious. That was silly and the mistake lies with the tech who put her face to the dog while the dog was stressed and BEING HELD by the owner.
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Old 02-24-2010, 10:18 AM
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This is crazy! I feel sorry for the dog and it's owners... however the vet tech that got bit may not have actually reported it. I'm not sure what the laws are in that area.... but if the Tech went to the doctor to get the bite checked, in some places, by law, the doctor has to report dog bites.

But a few years back when I worked at one of the vet clinics, one of the people who I worked with was giving a very upset Silky terrier a bath. I told her to muzzle the dog several times, and she refused... well the dog bit her on the hand... not a shocker. She went to the doctor, well urgent care, and the dog ended up having to stay with us in Quarantine for 10 days (even though the dog was current on rabies) because it was reported by the doctor at urgent care. Other than that, nothing happened to the dog.. it actually came back multiple times for grooming and boarding, but this person refused to handle the dog anymore after that. As long as you weren't "messing" with the dog, she was actually very sweet.
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I'm pretty sure CO is one of those "mandatory dog bite report" states. We had this discussion at our SchH club, where my trainer was telling me a story about a bite that missed the sleeve.
The story goes something like someone was bitten by accident at training. They required medical attention. When they went to the Dr. the story was they fell on a woodpile and got snagged by a nail - where the Dr asked "Well are you sure that nail had all it's rabies shots?" - end of story, lol.

Anyone stupid enough to put their face up to any strange dog - well, this goes back to the hot dog thread. You have to be smarter than that!!! Especially if the dog is already stressed, yeah I just want to stick my face right up in there...duh. No I don't think the dog should be declared vicious and I hope the family wins a nice suit over it just for their hassle.
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Old 02-24-2010, 11:00 AM
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Hey, isn't that Luce and Shroom at the top of the page?

The author addressed the "physically resist" point in the comments:
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nother clarification: "Unlike big dogs, they can not physically resist something that makes them feel uncomfortable." What I meant there is that if a big dog is being walked into an exam room at the Vet's office and he is scared, he can sit or lie down as a means of physical resistance to the thing that he feels uncomfortable about. This is a defense mechanism. A little dog can not do this.
And I tend to agree. People will ignore and ignore and ignore a little dog's warnings because "ohh, little Snookiewookies thinks he's a BIG dog, yes he does! Oh yes he does! Aren't you a big dog little snuggleswuggums, yes you are! OMG MY DOG JUST FSCKING BIT ME!" Obviously this is a rather gross generalization but you'd be amazed at how many times I've heard that exact exchange.

Layfayette is just up the road from me and one of the cities I've been eyeing for when I'm ready to get my own place. This sort of makes me rethink that. Not because Sawyer has ever bitten at the vet, nor do I think he would, but because if they're going to flip out on a little doxie, wtf are they going to do if I started bringing a Fila in?
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