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Old 02-23-2010, 10:26 PM
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Ive never heard that about the hair. Interesting.
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Old 02-23-2010, 10:47 PM
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If you're not using it to train, then of course you don't need the pops. But if you use it for training, yes, you need the leash pops.

A leash pop is not a jerk or a pull. It's a pop. It's quick. It's not forceful. It's a "Hey, don't forget that I'm here, too" kind of thing.
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Old 02-23-2010, 10:57 PM
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Sierra's doesn't have comfort tips (TBH I've never even heard of them, let alone see them in person...) and she dances for me to put her prong on.


(I think this is the first time I've admitted to using a prong on Chaz... I've kind of avoided the subject like the plague.)
Kharma and Tallulah do too

Heck, I've posted pics of Tallulah where you can see the prong. Not only is she a puller, the prong is the one collar I can put on her for walking that doesn't rub her nekkid little neck raw.

Kharma's good on leash, but there is the occasional lunge after a varmint, and, even more importantly, it keeps HER safe. I can say that she is absolutely under my control. It also keeps some people from walking right up to her.
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Old 02-23-2010, 11:48 PM
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I have a prong for both Daisy and Gunnar. Neither have any kind of tips on them. Gunnar's is a nice Sprenger model, real heavy duty. Daisy's is more of a medium duty but for her it's more like power steering and rarely needs to be used as a correction.
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it works because it's an aversive. i'm not sure why we need to play word games about it.
I don't know if you meant this towards me or not, but if you did I am confused..........I can't see that I've used 'word games'.

I know full well what it is and what it does. As I've said before, I tried it on my upper BARE arm to get the sensation before I ever put it on him. If it were 'painful' I would not use it. If he pulled like mad on it, I would not use it. If he had ever yelped, whined, or had skin broken, I would not use it. I know it isn't comfortable at all times, if it were, it wouldn't work.

If that wasn't directed at me, sorry.........I am just confused since you quoted me to make the statement.
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Old 02-24-2010, 01:22 PM
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I think shes refering to the "its not pain its Discomfort" wordplay thats occuring coop
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Old 02-24-2010, 02:22 PM
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Nope, I also have the HS brand.

Maybe for the cheap prongs.
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A leash pop is not a jerk or a pull. It's a pop. It's quick. It's not forceful. It's a "Hey, don't forget that I'm here, too" kind of thing.
Personally, I can get the same affect by simply saying "hey, don't forget that I'm here, too" to my dogs.

Prong collars are the most ginormous pain to put on dogs at work... firstly because the dogs despise them, and you have to stab them just to put them on. 99% of the time they are not properly fitted, I can see that and I've never ever used one. Sometimes they are literally skintight, sometimes they are loose enough to fit a hand between the dog. I see a lot of flat edges on prongs, sometimes rounded prongs, but never rubber tips. It does seem like they're more to make the person feel better than anything.

As far as using prong collars for "safety"... has anyone heard of sense-ible harnesses, and/or the many other safer, more humane ways of controlling a dog? It's the 21st century. Prong collars, chokers, etc seem so barbaric when there is so much more out there. I would even use a Halti way before using a prong... have you guys ever thought of your dogs self-correcting themselves when they see other dogs, and that constant negative stimulation exacerbating their DA issues? Has anyone who needs a prong gone through +R classes without training collars?
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Old 02-24-2010, 10:02 PM
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I can see me using some kind of head halti on Gunnar, having him launch after a prey animal, and snapping his neck. I'll stick to the prong. This post wasn't about whether a prong should or should not be used, it was about using rubber tips on one.

I've been to many +r classes where no corrective collar was used, and I've done many classes that are completely off leash.
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Ditto.

Sierra's doesn't have comfort tips (TBH I've never even heard of them, let alone see them in person...) and she dances for me to put her prong on.


(I think this is the first time I've admitted to using a prong on Chaz... I've kind of avoided the subject like the plague.)
I really don't care what people use on their dogs. Their dog their choice. Do want to point out though that Sierra dances around all happy like because the prong means a walk. Not because she enjoys wearing a prong.
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