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Old 02-09-2010, 08:56 PM
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the reason i was asking is because of the ALCBA. before they will issue full registration papers on a leopard cur it must prove it can start, run & catch game all by itself. it must be verified by unbiased witnesses (it used to be a breed judge but the breed has grown past being able to do that effectively). so just being bred from two registered leopard curs doesn't automatically allow it to be registered. being born from unregistered dogs does prevent it though as it is considered not purebred. so theoretically if the leopard cur were to be registered by the AKC a dog could be AKC registered w/o being eligible for ALCBA registration. it is a problem that is already developing w/ the UKC changing them to leopard tree hound, in that some people are skipping ALCBA registry and their product cannot then be registered w/ the ALCBA. OTH it lets a prospective buyer know what he is getting. UKC looks good, might win in competition but can't put the meat on the table or ALCBA can put the meat on the table and might or might not do everything the UKC dog can.
That is sort of what happened with the ABCA versus AKC's breed club, the BCSA.
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Old 02-09-2010, 09:02 PM
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Jenn>> A Cur does not mean a mix. Its a type of dog. Now none so far are AKC recognized breeds.

Pops. Not sure. There was some debate when the JRT club had to put it to the members to go for APA standing. Seems we could keep our registry system even if we were no longer the registering body. (the vote was yes, but thankfully no one stepped up to implement it)
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Old 02-09-2010, 09:17 PM
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the catahoula is a cur dog so is the treeing tennesse brindle (mt curs really) and both are in the pipeline for recognition.
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Old 02-09-2010, 09:20 PM
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What is their motivation for going KC?
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Old 02-09-2010, 09:20 PM
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Jenn, a cur is a hunting dog that uses both sight and scent. I was given to understand that the Rhodesian Ridgeback is technically a cur dog. There are some really nice pure cur breeds from the US. The Leopard Cur and the Blackmouth Cur are a couple of my favorites.
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Old 02-09-2010, 10:28 PM
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Old 02-09-2010, 10:33 PM
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i can understand the catahoula as there are WAYYYY too many people all wrapped up in their pretty colors. but the TTB trips me out, they are just Mt Curs pulled aside into a seperate registry based on being bigger & i think silent on track (not sure i'd have to check that w/ the Doc). they are meat dogs not competition dogs at all. on top of all that there just aren't a whole lot of them as brindle & silent on track are acceptable in all the Mt Cur registries (although for some assinine reason open is preferred).
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Old 02-10-2010, 08:39 AM
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i can understand the catahoula as there are WAYYYY too many people all wrapped up in their pretty colors. but the TTB trips me out, they are just Mt Curs pulled aside into a seperate registry based on being bigger & i think silent on track (not sure i'd have to check that w/ the Doc). they are meat dogs not competition dogs at all. on top of all that there just aren't a whole lot of them as brindle & silent on track are acceptable in all the Mt Cur registries (although for some assinine reason open is preferred).
the TTB trips me out because quite frankly on the photos I've seen on the AKC website, I can't tell them from a plott I have nothing to really add to this except that I am mildly annoyed between the change of standards between UKC and AKC for my breed... AKC makes their height guidelines smaller (I like a big hound) and accepts black and buckskin; UKC says "striped effect". Oh well...
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Old 02-10-2010, 09:24 AM
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Interesting. Sounds like the leopard cur registry does a lot like what I think would be a nice change for a lot of dog breeds - to find some way to incorporate a system similar to a lot of the warmblood horse registries. If you want your animal to have full studbook status and to be allowed to produce more registered offspring, they need to pass an inspection of conformation, breed type, health, and performance. Sure, there will be people who advertise their purebreds who don't pass, but as you said, at least buyers who do even a small amount of research would be able to know what they are getting.

Dog Wars is an interesting read about how the AKC managed to pull in border collies despite all the protest about a working breed being included.

So the Tennessee Treeing Brindle is basically a mountain cur? Hm. Perhaps Meg will be ILP-able at some point if I ever decide I want to do that.

Edited because - yeah, no. She looks nothing like one. Right at the bottom of the size range, although within it, and the temperament is pretty on, but looks are not.
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Old 02-10-2010, 12:56 PM
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But the ABCA isn't the associated breed club though is it? The BCSA is the AKC affiliated breed club.
Wait, so why would you register with the BCSA if it's just part of the AKC? Why register twice?
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