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Old 01-25-2010, 12:51 AM
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Personally, I think that dog's head is very 'chunky' for a BC. Though if there are very few aussies over there, then I suppose he is more likely just an unusually thick BC.
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Old 01-25-2010, 01:24 AM
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That dog looks like a border collie to me, there is incredible variation in the breed. He sort of reminds me of Dekka's Scout, but maybe I'm just seeing things.
Garg!!! I meant, Dekka's SPORT. Obviously I haven't seen enough pics of him if I'm mixing his name up with Laur's chinchilla. yeah....that's it...

ETA: Here is a link to a thread with pics of him
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Your dog does have a heavier muzzle like folks are pointing out, but I think it could easily fall within the natural variation of the breed.
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Old 01-25-2010, 10:14 AM
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If I did the conversion right, he's 72 lbs which is REALLY big for a BC. Could it happen? I suppose but that combined with his head shape makes me think he's a mix of bc (or a similar herding breed) and something larger.

Am I crazy but I see rottweiler in his head...
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Old 01-25-2010, 11:23 AM
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I agree with laur i see rottie in him as well. Although I live in the UK as well annd I have seen BC's looking like that as well
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Old 01-25-2010, 11:35 AM
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The OP said he was overweight though, so his weight might not be a true indicator of his size.
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Old 01-25-2010, 11:55 AM
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He could also just be a "farm collie mix" and have more than one herding breed in him?
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Old 01-25-2010, 11:57 AM
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He is overweight by the standard of how much he used to weigh. It has been really hard knowing whether he is overweight; he was slimmer before he was neutered and since then he has been eating less but gaining weight.

It's hard to know with not knowing what sort of breed he is. If he is pure collie then he is obese; but it is not like he has a lot of soft fat on him. He is pretty muscly and it is his legs and shoulders that have filled in since neutering. And he is about 72lbs.

Actually, he is the same size and very similar body shape to my friends rottie.

Also, is aggression common in border collies/aussies??

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Old 01-25-2010, 12:07 PM
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If you run your hands down his back can you feel his last two ribs? That is about ideal. If you can feel no ribs, then he's overweight.

What are you talking about when you say aggression? Guarding his food? Hunting other animals? Not getting along with other dogs? Not liking strangers?
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Old 01-25-2010, 02:13 PM
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When he first came he was generally agressive; all the things you mentioned.
He now doesn't guard his food and is definately below our lurcher and our cat in the pack order.

He still barks when the doorbell rings but mostly he is well behaved. On walks he is alright as long as they don't get too close. He hasn't bitten anyone, but he has growled with teeth bared and barks. This behaviour has improved a lot; and he comes back when you call.

Our main problem is dog training; when he is there he has to be close to a lot of dogs he gets nervous and can suddenly bark at someone who is giving him "evil" looks. He has made loads of progress and can now sniff other dogs. Most lessons he is fine. Although there is a labradoodle who is insane and can't sit still who he gets annoyed with.

We know that he was abused at a young age, and later left alone for weeks at a time. So, he does have a reason. But I was just wondering whether it was more common in certain breeds.
Our lurcher hides and cowers at barking dogs, loud noises etc. expecting us to protect her. My brothers greyhound and my sister's whippet is the same.


Wwith ribs, you can feel one and just about the second one. So, I guess he is not as overweight as I though!
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