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Old 01-09-2010, 06:15 PM
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One other thing that I would add.... is for people to start realizing bloat is a problem in certain lines and they need to stop breeding dogs who have generation after generation after generation of bloat dogs behind them.... but instead they ignore it, or try to hide the fact that it's there! It really bothers me.

I've seen it first hand. I personally feel a large percentage of it, is caused by genetics. I have pedigrees of various dogs saved on my computer that I know for a fact, have multiple dogs in several generations that have bloated behind them.. and people still breed them... often back to other dogs with a pedigree full of bloat dogs, and they think nothing of this!!.
However, since there is no test to show a predisposition for it and no CLEAR CUT proof it's genetic (although I too believe it is genetic), breeders will tiptoe around it and make excuses when it happens. Therefore, like CEA, PRA, and DM, bloat too will continue to plague the breed.
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Old 01-09-2010, 06:24 PM
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How are collie ears? Is taping just about mandatory to get the "collie look" or should the collie ears stand and tip without assistance? I've got my popcorn out and I am ready to learn.
The standard doesn't state HOW they get there, just how they should look. In the US, you'd be hard pressed to find a Collie with naturally tipping, untouched ears. It does occur though. We've got quite a few dogs out there in service work that have one prick and one naturally tipped - the prick ear is the one with the organization's mandatory tattoo and the scar tissue causes it to go prick, but the natural ear IS natural.

And just to add, heavy ears are not usually the problem with the Collies. Left to their own devices, most will pull them up nicely on their head by themselves, but they will also go prick while doing so, especially during teething and/or first estrus. There are some with heavy ears, but that's not the norm.
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Old 01-09-2010, 06:34 PM
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Just to add ... the natural ears were a little more common 30 yrs ago ...

(Don't laugh at the kid ... it's me ... :P)

All of these dogs have natural ears ...
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Old 01-09-2010, 07:08 PM
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Katie, good information, thank you! I love the ears of the dogs in your photo; the natural look has the best expression, but that's my non-collie-fancier opinion.

Regarding bloat, I think it is genetic first above all else. We have plenty of deep-chested animals that do not bloat. I believe something went wrong for a lot of breeds and now that we have the genetics, diet and exercise can contribute. A lot of people will say "do this/do that," but plenty of dogs have bloated on soaked kibble, kibble without citric acid, raw diet, just water, exercise, no exercise, I don't think it really matters. If your dog has the genetics for bloat, it WILL bloat, it's just a matter of time. My GSD mix has bloated several times already. Thank goodness no torsion yet but we keep the GasX very handy and if I don't hear burps or if I think he is uncomfortable, he gets at least two pills immediately. We are an hour away from any E-vet so this is the best we can do and yes we did have one ER visit already (but he burped during the car ride... doofus). He'll bloat again for sure, we just watch him very closely and are always ready to give GasX. I'll give it WITH meals even if I feel he is stressing a lot.
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Old 01-09-2010, 07:12 PM
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Katie, good information, thank you! I love the ears of the dogs in your photo; the natural look has the best expression, but that's my non-collie-fancier opinion.
Thanks!

You won't see the low set natural ears like the dogs in my other pic ... that was another era. While breeding for better (tighter) earset, you often end up with an ear that wants to go prick too easy.



Ears are pretty low on my list of qualities, as you can see. These guys had tipped ears long enough to finish their CHs, then I let them go as they would.
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Old 01-09-2010, 07:26 PM
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Katie, all beautiful but the two on the ends are GORGEOUS!

Speaking of bloat, mine is licking the air and the carpet and hacking and pacing so guess who just got two GasX just in case??? Siiiigh.
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Old 01-09-2010, 07:35 PM
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Katie, all beautiful but the two on the ends are GORGEOUS!

Speaking of bloat, mine is licking the air and the carpet and hacking and pacing so guess who just got two GasX just in case??? Siiiigh.
The one in the middle is 10 yrs old and hates cameras - he is much more handsome in real life.

And it sounds to me like your dog is taking extreme measures to get you off the computer!!! Hope all is well ...
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This thread is making me want a collie, that is all...


Oh, and corgi people need to stop breeding such freaking overly-long dogs. Common sense says that'll end badly...
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Old 01-09-2010, 07:49 PM
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I started to feel like a thread hog, but no one else was saying anything!!

I think any of the short long dogs are getting too much shorter and too much longer. (OK, it's grammatically incorrect, but you get the point ...)
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Old 01-09-2010, 07:58 PM
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Don't worry, you're making me want collies, too! I also agree with the trend toward breeding for extremes and that is never good. Some dogs are long enough to make snakes jealous.

My dog's going nutso. Off to give him GasX #3. Keeping close watch on him. He's done this often enough that I don't panic at this point. We'll be okay, thanks for the well wishes.
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