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Old 12-01-2009, 07:03 PM
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Default Barkbusters is coming...woooo (not)

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, wonderful.

BB is coming to "train" Camden tomorrow. I hope he bites her. (ok not really, but kinda...)


What is so great is that I have SOOOO much sh*t to do tomorrow, so I was gonna stay in the library after class...but they are coming SMACK in the middle of my friggin ONLY study time, and I absolutely do NOT want that woman using any of her little methods with Oakley. Half the reason she is coming is apparently to see the interaction btwn Oakley & Camden since Oakley causes all the problems

This is just NOT what I needed...

Luckily my click to calm book came in the mail today, so if she tries to tell me ANYTHING, i'll just politely shove it in her face & tell her to read it & then consult back with me, lol.

anyways...just needed to vent
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:23 PM
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Eww - that sucks! ((hugs)) You could always do what I do for methods I don't like used on my dogs - desensitize the dogs to certain cues and/or make them mean a cue for the opposite; I did that with the Cesar psssst thing (it now means go wild and jump all over lol) so you could easily do the same to the "bah!" that BB is known for...
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Old 12-01-2009, 08:42 PM
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Wow...Doesn't your room mate get it yet....that BB is the reason her dog's problems have escalated? The definition of insanity is continuing to use punishment on an aggressive dog and expecting it to become less aggressive. Or something like that....
I just can't believe she won't try methods recommended by real live behaviorists, like from your book, CTC. I don't think I'd want someone from BB to come within 50 yards of my dog. I sure hope you make it clear to your room mate that they are NOT to use their methods on your dog. (not that that is any sure-fire solution)
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Old 12-02-2009, 11:32 AM
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Wow...Doesn't your room mate get it yet....that BB is the reason her dog's problems have escalated? The definition of insanity is continuing to use punishment on an aggressive dog and expecting it to become less aggressive. Or something like that....
I just can't believe she won't try methods recommended by real live behaviorists, like from your book, CTC. I don't think I'd want someone from BB to come within 50 yards of my dog. I sure hope you make it clear to your room mate that they are NOT to use their methods on your dog. (not that that is any sure-fire solution)
Me being here is the sure fire solution in my mind....just sucks cause it is really ruining my plans for today...but obviously worth it.

Yeah, I;ve told her about CTC & showed her again yesterday when I got it in the mail...she goes "Oh cool, lemme know if it works, maybe I should try that..." I offered it to her right then & there, telling her it DOES work...but she refused since BB is coming...

ughhhhhhhhhhhh. Usually when you observe mistakes people make, you try NOT to repeat them,...but for some reason she is insisting on trying my own mistakes with Oakley, despite the MANY times I have told her that negative reinforcement is WHY he is the way he is now...
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:28 PM
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Hmm I'm lost here, what/who is Barkbusters?
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:32 PM
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barkbusters? I bet they try to convince her to throw bean bags at the dog. Save the time and money, tell them not to come. Read the book, seperate who needs to be seperated till you done reading. you'll be better off.
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Old 12-02-2009, 03:43 PM
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Hmm I'm lost here, what/who is Barkbusters?
a really bad chain/nationwide training co.

They use only negative reinforcement (well, other than saying "good boy")


For instance, Camden sits by my door staring at Oakley....the trainer's solution to the problem was to walk into my room, squirt him with a water bottle & yell BAH at him.

very effective
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Dog Training by Bark Busters
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Old 12-02-2009, 05:07 PM
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Dreeza, I expect you mean positive punishment, rather than negative reinforcement. (?) Thowing things at dogs, spraying things in their faces etc (pos. Punishment) can make them aggressive. BB's methods tend to put dogs on the defensive...never ever a good place to put a dog with big, sharp teeth and powerful jaws. I know one or maybe even two people on this forum don't think so, but to be on the safe side, I hope your roomy will soon realize the well documented facts.

I just went on a house call this morning for a dog who is getting increasingly aggressive after his owners have punished him for not "minding." If he wouldn't do what they told him or wouldn't do it quickly enough, he'd get scolded verbally as well as smacked, yanked and scruffed. They need to learn HOW to teach the dog to do what they want and how to understand that dogs do not understand things the way we do. And how it isn't fair or logical to punish them. And they're conceding that it is indeed dangerous to push their dog like this because you never know at what threshold any given dog will break and it can vary from moment to moment or day to day. They scruffed him one too many times and he snapped at them. Now he's snapping even when they don't scruff him...just when they reach to put a collar on or reach to pat him.

People forget, I think that dogs are a different species from us. The human race, in general, gets so bonded to dogs and seem to see a reflection of themselves in their dogs. What they see then, is some little furry thing that is almost like a human...should think like a human, have our morals and should value the same things we do for the same reasons.

Fortuanately, these people seem receptive to changing the way they think about their dog and their relationship with him. Time will tell.
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Ugh Bark Busters... this BI@TCH, who proudly wears her BB trainer shirt and brags about being associated with them, is always at one of the local dog parks. She brings her poor, reactive Belgian Sheepdog and I always leave when I spot her. She'll be scruffing dogs left and right and pinning excited jumpy puppies, and lecturing people, non-stop. She actually screamed at Fozzie once for appropriately growling at a dog who literally bowled him over; while her own dog is a nervous, flighty wreck who goes off on other dogs without warning.

A little mixed dog named Gus who used to always come to the hotel snapped at one of my seniors (who is a moron, btw) when she ran over to him and picked him up in the parking lot. He was very sweet, just insecure. His owner took him to BB and upon his return he was unrecognizable. He would cower in a corner in his room, and tense up if you touched him. He doesn't come any more, and I'm pretty sure he ended up biting some one.

Just a couple of awesome BB stories! It's unreal that they are paid as much as a certified behaviorist to squirt dogs in the face and yell at them. Their methods might be effective for, say, 10 seconds... but who knows the reprecussions of creating constant negative associations? The best outcome would be a shut down dog.
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