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Old 11-23-2009, 12:05 AM
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The closest thing to a choke collar my dog sees is a fur saver that Tyr occasionally wears because on the off chance that he ever competes in Schutzhund, that's what he has to wear (either a fur saver or a choke collar - leash attached to the dead ring). So sometimes I dust it off and throw it on him so he knows what it is. But most of the time he works with no collar and does absolutely perfect obedience. When he does wear the fur saver, it is either without a leash or with a leash that has a lot of slack in it.
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Old 11-24-2009, 09:15 AM
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corgi beat me to the choke chain comment.
and someone else beat me to the barking=agressive comment
and someone else beat me to the "your puppy sounds incredibly timid and thats not good" stuff...you guys are quick!
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Old 11-25-2009, 02:11 PM
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Yeah wow on the choke chain thing. Just have to toss in another two cents. Neither of my dogs will EVER see a choke chain. Shippo has his CGC, and soon will have his TDI and I'll have done both without the use of a choke chain. Eevee was exposed to choke chains as a young dog and they never worked for training. A dog not wearing a choke chain has nothing to do with his training. That all depends on the owner being a good leader and being consistent with the dog.
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Old 11-25-2009, 03:27 PM
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Yeah wow on the choke chain thing..
I know WOW eh.

I know like WOW on the most popular chain in the world by dog owners.

WOWWW...
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Old 11-25-2009, 03:34 PM
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More like WOW to how you worship one of the most misused and outdated training tools in existence. WOW to how much you seem to love this tool that causes SO MUCH physical and mental damage to dogs today. Just because "everybody's using it" doesn't mean they're right. How can you LIKE something that causes so much pain and injury??
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Old 11-25-2009, 03:36 PM
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I know WOW eh.

I know like WOW on the most popular chain in the world by dog owners.

WOWWW...
By uneducated dog owners?

Maybe that's what you actually mean when you say mainstream, uneducated.
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Old 11-25-2009, 03:39 PM
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I know WOW eh.

I know like WOW on the most popular chain in the world by dog owners.

WOWWW...
Actually its not. It used to be. Then studies showed that they (even when used by experts) caused irreversible damage to the dog's trachea.

A choke chain is a flawed tool. Only an uneducated dog trainer these days uses them.

If you would like I can give you the email of the #1 obedience trainer in Canada. I have been to her hall (haven't had lessons yet, keep focusing on agility). No to the choke chains.

Here is the thing Crush...

How many dogs have you trained? Why do you think dogs need choke chains? To what level have you trained dogs? Why do you think most effective trainers now recommend actually training dogs vs relying on tools to control the dog. (not that choke chains work.. you see so many dogs choking themsleves)
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By uneducated dog owners?

Maybe that's what you actually mean when you say mainstream, uneducated.
And these are the people that we need a forum for.

Not to educate them, but to let them participate.

Ceasar Milan uses a choke chain in his video.

I used a choke chain and the dog didn't like it at first, but he learned quick and learned not to fight the tug of the chain.

My training is so good, it's like I barely do it.

What I learned though is it's best to train very short over a week. There's usually a 'window' of time each day that he's willing to learn.

Get the dog before he's had any food or treats and he'll be very open to learning and attentive.

I would do 3 min sessions over a week and he'll get it. I want to train him to do what your dog did.

After he bows, he's in a position to roll over.
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Yes but Cesar Milan is a reality TV specialist.. not a dog specialist. Its like watching house to learn medicine.

Anyway you never answered my questions... not willing to put your money where your mouth is?

Umm well your dog is a puppy. Now this may shock you. I compete with my dogs. For the most part I train in one min intervals once a day or so.. training does not mean hours. (unless you suck, or are doing classes or things that need fitness)
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And these are the people that we need a forum for.

Not to educate them, but to let them participate.

Ceasar Milan uses a choke chain in his video.
Forums are great for participating, but one of the main reasons for these dog forums is also to EDUCATE for the well being of all dogs!

And you'll quickly figure out what most people think of Cesar on this forum lol. Just because some guy on TV is jerking his dog around does not mean it's necessary for every dog owner to do the same. It's ONE method of training, not the ONLY method, and it's something that many of us here disagree with.
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