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Old 11-11-2009, 06:06 PM
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The thing with expecting all dogs to be perfect.. well to me thats more than silly. YES many people go to the dog park to train. How else do you get to work your dog around many other dogs? You can't proof except around what you are proofing against.
Exactly.

My dogs are really reliable with recall. Can be called off mid chase of either other dog or prey. But I would never say 100% because I just don't know and I would know even less if I hadn't been going to the dog park with them for years.

I hate small children at the dog park and I especially hate kids that can't even walk at dog parks.

I had a time a lady brought a stroller into our dog park and then was so twitchy everytime a dog came within 50 ft of her. Her dog then procedded to pick up on that and start fights with other dogs.

I also had the pleasure of having a kid on a bike at our dog park. Now, neither of mine are bike chasers in fact Kaylee is terrified of them unless she's running next to mine. But I know from my daily bike ride with her they are in the minority and a lot of dogs chase, lung and try and bite when you go by on a bike.

Off leash dogs with a kid on a bike going fast....not good
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Old 11-11-2009, 06:20 PM
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Agree with Dekka & Doberluv. Auggie LOVES other dogs but he doesn't get to go to the dog park and play because some people can't follow the rules and insist on bringing their kids. He had a major blast out there the first time we went... the second and last time was not nearly so fun. And actually the annoying rambunctious puppy was his FAVE to play with.

Dogs are dogs... not robots. There is no 100%. Things DO happen. I do my best to avoid putting my dog into a situation where if something DOES happen, somebody - be it dog or child - will get hurt... that's all I can do.
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Old 11-11-2009, 06:27 PM
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the dog park is for DOGS...
the child park is down the way...

i went to one in milford (where i was living with my now ex) i went once without the dogs to see what it was like...
i refuse to take them...flat out.

there were families ther in the fenced in dog park area with NO dogs...
when asked why they came...
"oh my kids just LOVE dogs and this is the only place i can let them run wild!"

after that, oh HELL no.
when talking to some of the dog owners (who all started to leave as soon as the kids showed up...)
this happens ALOT, families using it as some kind of petting zoo/energy outlet.

just before i left, i hear one of the kids crying, the child was about 3, mabe 4 tops...and one of the dogs at the park, a rambunctious young dane, he had been playing wonderfully with the other dogs all morning, sharing his toys, playing nice having a blast...
well this toddler (whos mother is about 10 ft away) decided he HAS to have the toy the dane and a shepard were playing with.
the dane lets him have the toy...but then it was a game as the kid waved it round in the air.

lets see huge rambunctious CLUMSY puppy, 3 mabe 4 yr old toddler and a toy...

DUMP, the whole thing took a few seconds, a blink and it was all over...the kid starts screaming, the puppies owner calls him and he leaves the kid imediatly...
but the mother gets all pissy, screaming at the puppies owner that he needs to have that dangerous dog on a leash, if theres even a scratch on her kid...blah blah...
another dog owner reamed the mother, told her this wasnt a petting zoo and she should have been keeping a better eye on her toddler...

the kid was fine...and the owner of the dane puppy left, the 2 families and their mass of children stayed to continue "letting them have some doggy playtime"

THAT drives me nuts.

yes i do feel that a dog at a dog park should have basic training socilization maners and a good recal, and i feel the owners of said dog should be watching their animals...
theres no question theres...

100% recall, no i dont think 100% is an absolute nesecity, a good solid recall incase of emergencies, sure, but 100%...not nessicarily, the park is fenced for a reason and sometimes you just need to let dogs be dogs...

but in some of these cases, the dogs were playing nicely and the mother of the kid is too busy chatting to watch the child and it gets dumped because it decided taking a large dogs toy and swinigng it round its head is a great idea...

the dog park is that, a DOG park not a playground, not a childs daycare...
i wish rules like no children under 10 were STRICTLY enforced, i wish when theres kids running round the park because the parent things its a good idea the people there with their dogs SHOULD say something, and not in a nicey nice kind of way...

i flat out said "you knwo the KIDS playground is just around the corner, this areas for the dogs, what happens if your kid falls in dog poop or gets bitten?" and i got shruged off...i think however if others said something as well they would have left rather than keep listening to people complaining about their presence...

i dunno, just bugs me when parents think its theri right to use other peoples dogs however they wish...
then again ive also been throughly reamed when i told a woman her obnoixious hyper SCREAMING child couldnt pet ruby because she was working!
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Old 11-11-2009, 06:57 PM
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I don't mind people who bring in kids... as long as the parent is holding their hand for the ENTIRE stay, the kid isn't running around, and the kid isn't petting dogs without asking. But that kind of parent is 1 in 100.

Once, a lady came in with her daughter, who had to be 4 years old at the most, and an obnoxious adolescent GSD. The little girl is running around with the dog. It was almost dark out, the big dog side with a large group of dogs still out there, and I was doing the laser for Fozzie and a few other dogs. This lady encourages her daughter to CHASE IT WITH THE DOGS!???! I tell her to stop. She doesn't even pay attention, and continues to encourage her daughter to chase it with a pack of dogs. Fozzie gives me an uncomfortable look and stops chasing his laser, as the little girl is stepping on it. The lady's dog poops on the other side of the dog park and she gets out a flashlight to find it for 10 minutes... and... tells her TODDLER to "stay with them until she comes back". Me and my friend just stood there while she scoured the hillsides for her dog's poop, dumbfounded, and her bitchy dog attacks Fozzie for being near the child all the while. We told her she needs to watch her own kid and her own dog (when she finally got back) or don't come to the dog park. We didn't cuss her out only for the sake of that poor little girl.
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:10 PM
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Wow Foxy and Ihart...some amazing stories. I know those things would raise my blood pressure to boiling. I would reach my tolerance threhold in seconds with people like that! It's just unfathomable! People who use dog parks really ought to insist that they make it for dogs, not kids. (unless the kid is leashed to the park bench or in a stroller) No kidding. Leashed!
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Old 11-11-2009, 07:32 PM
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The thing with expecting all dogs to be perfect.. well to me thats more than silly. YES many people go to the dog park to train. How else do you get to work your dog around many other dogs? You can't proof except around what you are proofing against.

I do think dogs should have the basics. But 100% recall is not basic. In fact it is extreemly advanced.. in fact nigh impossible. Humans aren't perfect and neither are dogs. You can train all you want, but that doesn't mean things can't happen.
^This.

I don't have a lot of friends with dogs and training classes are not for letting all the dogs play together and then trying to recall them. There is no training class in this area at least that has such a class.

Our dog park has a no small children rule, and I love it. Heck, Jack could knock a toddler down with his tail--he wouldn't even need to jump. Either way, I think it is incredibly stupid to allow your small child to mingle with a group of strange off leash, hyped up dogs--I don't care how good their recall is.
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Old 11-11-2009, 10:18 PM
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Dog parks are for dogs. I don't let my dog off leash in your kid park, so please don't let your kid let go of your hand in my dog park. If you bring in your kid, you are assuming the risk that they may get bumped, bruised, and/or bit (just the same way every time I walk into the park, I assume that risk for myself)

I'm actually really lucky. There are several kids who come to my park, but for the most part they're all well behaved. They play with their dog, or hold their parent's hand. A few moms come with strollers/babies, but they guard the strollers carefully and nothing bad has happened (not saying it couldn't, obviously).

One time there was a trio of kids after school...maybe 10/12/14? They didn't have a dog, they were just hanging out there for the afternoon (probably because they were bored and had no parents home to watch out for them). The youngest one liked to chase the dogs, and the older ones thought it was fun to pick them up. Lucy LOVES people, so she was playing with them...till they tried to pick her up, and she was squirmy and wiggling and I thought for sure she was going to fall and hurt herself. I ran YELLING across the park for them to put her down. I got disgusted looks from the kids, but seriously? You don't try to pick up any dog that isn't yours, let alone a 25+ lb squirmy thing. She's not carrying size.

My dog will probably never have 100% recall. I'm SO grateful that I can take her to the dog park daily though. She needs hours of exercise each day to become a dog you can live with, and when Zach and I both work full time, taking her to the dog park is the only way to get that in. When we first got Lucy, it took us a good 20 minutes to chase her down and leash her up when it was time to go!! If only perfectly trained dogs got to go to the park, I'd honestly have taken her back to the shelter by now because there's no way we could exercise her fully.

As long as a dog is friendly with other dogs, I'm happy to see it at our park.

Edited to add: My dog park is only about the size of a football field...so that may be why my perception is different. No matter what is going on, you can be there in a few seconds. It's not like your dog or kid can ever get out of sight.
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Old 11-11-2009, 10:21 PM
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If the dog park says no kids... no kids... I am all for following rules.

But if kids are allowed and are behaving, I dont see why they cant come with their parents and need to risk being bit... if your dog will bite a person/ other dog, they shouldnt be at the dog park. If a dog jumps up in a playful mood and accidentally knocks a kid over, no big deal... but dogs shouldnt be allowed to bite anyone.
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Old 11-11-2009, 10:24 PM
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OUR park is huge granted. People bring their children, i see them often but they are watched carefully. Hyia goes with me regularly without problems. I don't think you can take your dog into any public setting and get a guarantee that everything is going to be peachy keen. THe point is to prepare your dog for the greatest success.
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If the dog park says no kids... no kids... I am all for following rules.

But if kids are allowed and are behaving, I dont see why they cant come with their parents and need to risk being bit... if your dog will bite a person/ other dog, they shouldnt be at the dog park. If a dog jumps up in a playful mood and accidentally knocks a kid over, no big deal... but dogs shouldnt be allowed to bite anyone.
Completely agree! BUT, by entering a place with a bunch of riled up dogs who have the potential to bite, you have to accept that it's a risk. If it happens, you have every right to take action for it...but you also could have prevented it by not bringing your kid to a place where that could happen.

Fights happen at dog parks. Period. Most of the time, all the dogs get along just fine, but on occasion someone gets provoked, and it's dangerous to have a small kid there then.
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