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Old 09-19-2009, 11:40 AM
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Each mastiff has different traits. Some are known for DA. You really have to research them to know which one is best for your family situation. Bull Mastiffs are known to be DA, english mastiff and Filas aren't.

That was one of the reasons I chose Brutus. Filas are normally not DA. I had a female Rottie and a shiz/mix so I needed a dog that would get along with large, as well as small dogs. Usually a Fila will let a small dog walk all over it...literally. LOL However I don't recommend a Fila for everyone.
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Old 09-20-2009, 02:24 PM
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Just a question for the mastiff peoples here, but how common is same sex aggression in mastiffs? My aunt had a bull mastiff and Bart turned into a foaming raging monster if he saw male dogs. Females were okay.

Is the same gender aggression something to be wary of in the breed/s? Or was Bart a fluke? I imagine it would be something to be aware of if you're mixing big and small dogs in the same household.
I can't speak on behalf of other Mastiffs, but Filas are true pack animals -- or maybe more accurately, pride animals and work and live together. Judy and Gary's males all lived in the house together amicably. It probably helped that Gamble was such a dominant personality.

However, for most people ONE Fila is too much dog, lol, much less a houseful.
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Old 09-21-2009, 08:36 AM
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So Filas are more of a social breed?

I have hounds, and I know they are more of a pack breed since they are originally bred for hunting, and hunting is usually done in packs or at least pairs. So I have no worries with them being together.

Would you recommend the Fila for my specific situation?

I have Beagles and Bassets. When I stated that I have small dogs I did not mean chi's or tiny dogs. My Beagles are about 20-25 lbs. My Bassets are between 35-45 lbs. They are a very social and friendly bunch.

I also take in fosters. At the moment I have a Mastiff cross living with us as well.

I have always wanted a large/giant breed. I live alone out in middle of nowhere and I like the whole concept of having a protector. Don't get me wrong, I DO NOT want to have a "trained" guard dog. I just want a "deterent". I still want the giant dog to be social and such, but if a situation were to arise and I needed a loyal protector, knowing that my "place breed here" would not let anything happen to me would be a nice thing to have.
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Old 09-21-2009, 09:26 AM
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I'm not an expert but to me it sounds like you don't want something as hard as a Fila. Filas strike me as a very special breed, the epitome of guard dogs, but they're definitely not for everyone. I respect the breed so much but I doubt I'll ever be able to handle a breed like that.

Do some research on them and on their breed trait ojeriza (dislike of strangers). Truly beautiful animals even from someone who typically isn't a mastiff fan. They're stunning.

But Renee and the other Fila owners will tell you more, I'm sure.
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Old 09-21-2009, 09:41 AM
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Do some research on them and on their breed trait ojeriza (dislike of strangers).

I did do some research on that trait and I found many sites that stated the ojeriza trait surfaces when the pup is not socialized anymore after 6 months of age. I wonder if ojeriza would not surface if you were to constantly socialize them, even after 6 months?

That's why i'm here.......teach me!!!

I am not sure exactly what breed would fit my lifestyle. It does not neccessaerily have to be a Mastiff, but I am very interested in a large/giant type. If anybody has any other suggestions, please let me know what other options are out there.

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Old 09-21-2009, 10:01 AM
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From what I know which is mostly from reading this board, ojeriza is a breed trait. It's genetic, much like herding behaviors are in border collies. You can socialize but that doesn't mean the fila is ever going to like strangers. It's completely against his nature. That doesn't mean they're unstable animals at all, look at Kharma for example. It's just you can't expect to train out traits like these that are so ingrained and so important in the breed.

This part is what makes me say maybe not a fila:

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I have always wanted a large/giant breed. I live alone out in middle of nowhere and I like the whole concept of having a protector. Don't get me wrong, I DO NOT want to have a "trained" guard dog. I just want a "deterent". I still want the giant dog to be social and such, but if a situation were to arise and I needed a loyal protector, knowing that my "place breed here" would not let anything happen to me would be a nice thing to have.
What do you mean by social? What do you mean by deterrent?

Anyways I've only ever met one fila in real life and many people here have met more so they can talk more.

Danes, Leonbergers, English Mastiff come to mind but those are all quite a bit softer temperaments. Usually the visual of a 100+ lb dog is enough for most people to be deterred. Leonbergers look like teddy bears though so that might be out. I like bullmastiffs but they have a tendency to be DA.
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Old 09-21-2009, 10:13 AM
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[QUOTE=Laurelin;1465754]
What do you mean by social? What do you mean by deterrent?
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I mean, I do not want a dog that will try to attack anyone that may come over to visit, i.e. friends, family, people who are invited over. Just say I were to have some friends over, I would like the dog to socialize with the people and be want to be petted and cuddled.
But if we were to be out for a walk at night and some stranger were to get "any ideas" they won't because of the 100+ dog walking beside me. Or if some weirdo decides to knock at my door at an odd time at night, I have protection (only if needed)

I used to have a Saint Bernard with those traits. He would never attack a friend that was visiting, but in the beginning he made it clear that if anything were to be tried against me, he would be right there to protect me. Also, he was really good with my dogs. At the time I only had Jabroni (Basset X) and Snoopy (Beagle)

I also like to bring along my gang with me to as many places as dog possible.

For example, if I needed to go to the store I usually bring them along. I would want the giant dog to come along as well without having to worry about it being too wary of strangers. I also really like to participate in dog walk-a-thons for rescues, dog related fundraisers. I would like to be able to bring him there as well without worrying that a fight will break out. I want a confident dog that will get along living with the ones I have already.

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Old 09-21-2009, 06:25 PM
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a two hundred pouind male Eng. Mastiff is a heck of a deterrent if you kind find a will bred one that isn't scared of his own shadow. In ByB Mastiffs there are a lot of nerve issues. Eng. Mastiffs are no real guard dogs (real manstoppers anyway like a CAS or Fila) but if you have ever had one stand at the top of the stairs and bark at you......you will be deterred unless you are a pretty serious criminal.
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My mind keeps going to a Dane for you. Beagles and Bassets are really soft dogs. Most mastiffs need an experianced owner. Filas, Corsos, ect.. are for the experianced only.

I know alot of people with Danes who say 99% of people whont come anywere near their yard. But the dogs are teddy bears. That being said they will be there if they are needed.
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Old 09-22-2009, 07:14 AM
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My mind keeps going to a Dane for you. Beagles and Bassets are really soft dogs. Most mastiffs need an experianced owner. Filas, Corsos, ect.. are for the experianced only.

I know alot of people with Danes who say 99% of people whont come anywere near their yard. But the dogs are teddy bears. That being said they will be there if they are needed.
I agree with the whole experienced owner concept....but how do you get experience without really owning one?


Hmmmm Great Danes......I like that. Can anybody point me in the right direction with those giants? Or any other suggestions?
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