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Old 09-15-2009, 10:09 PM
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Toller_08 - A Duck Toller or Border Collie were actually my first choices, have to say Dance looks just like the one in my magazine. Glad you told me that under 20 is when it's too much for your Dobies. It's almost always under 20 here in the winter so that wouldn't be good for a Doberman.
I've read that Dobermans always want to know why they're being asked to do something, seems like your Keira fits that description haha. I hope Ripley the best while he's growing up, how old is he?
Sounds like Keira is really a handful lol, a wonderful Dobie nonetheless.
I wouldn't want my dog to ever bite anyone or anything either, trust me I was just wondering. As for people being so afraid of Dobermans it makes it hard to socialize them - **** the media!
It's very cold in the winter here as well (I live in Alberta). In fact, it's not uncommon for most of our winter to be between 30 and 40 below. I wouldn't let that deter you from having a Doberman if you're that interested in them, as IMO, not many dogs tolerate weather that cold very well. It's too cold even for Dance past -10 or so if I have her out for longer than a half hour. It is certainly hard to exercise a Doberman in such severe weather, but mental exercise works pretty well to keep them occupied. Haha, yes, Keira definitley fits that description. But honestly, eventhough training her is a challenge, she's not really a handful. She's super sweet and easy to live with. I find male Dobes to be easier to train and get along with than females in general though. I've had 4 Dobermans of my own (well, one was a foster), and am around many more constantly (at least 20) and the general consensus is that everyone adores their boys and can't say enough good things about them. Personally, I was never really a fan of male dogs to live with before getting involved with Dobermans, and now I hope to always have a Doberboy with me. Ripley's just 5 months old, and will hit a naughty teenage stage in a few months, but after that stage is done and over with he'll be good again. They're an amazing breed -- as much as I adore Tollers, they don't compare to Dobes really. I've never been around a breed so irrevocably devoted to their owners. They're so intune and attached to their people.

I forgot to add previously that a good Doberman breeder is hard to find. I know that there are a couple in Ontario, but I don't recall the names of them at the moment (I can find out for you if you're interested though). In any case, make certain that whatever breeder you choose health tests. You need to make sure that the dogs were tested for cardio, hips (OFA), eyes (CERF), VwD, and thyroid. And keep in mind that a puppy may not be ready for you by December, but going through the waiting period for a puppy from a reputable breeder is well worth it. DCM (dilated cardiomyopathy) is a health problem that plagues the breed, and no line is completely free of it. Some "breeders" will try to tell you otherwise -- don't believe them. Even with that, I find Dobermans to be a pretty healthy breed. And, if I'm ever unfortunate enough to have my dog die young of DCM, I'd rather have had 6 wonderful years with a Doberman than 10 or more years with most any other breed.

I'm not sure if you're picky about colour or not, but be aware that Dobermans come in four colours; Red, Black, Blue, and Fawn. Blue is the dilute of Black, and Fawn is the dilute of Red. The dilutes have a major chance of developing colour dilution alopecia, and need a lot of special coat care and supplements. Personally, I think the dilutes can be very pretty, but I wouldn't seek one out.
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Old 09-15-2009, 10:18 PM
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Eventually I think I want either a dobe or another GSD. I can't decide which (I had included a rottie at first because I loved my relatives but I think dobes and GSDs are more my speed). GSD would be better with the cold for sure. GSDs have a lot of variation. There's more than just Am showline and German working line. The dog you posted looks like a German showline to me.

My GSDx (He was supposed to be pure but obviously wasn't) was the best dog you could ever ask for. He was amazing in every way... except physically. He had pretty bad HD but still lived a long, full life despite it. Both breeds are very plagued with health problems.

There are many people with a lot more GSD experience than I have though so I'll let them talk.
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Old 09-15-2009, 11:43 PM
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So many replies!

release the hounds -
The picture I linked is from a German show line, I was merely saying it was my fav color, that it's usually from german lines and showing an example.

ACampbell0304 - Thanks for the info ACampbell, I am aware of what to avoid when choosing a breeder, thanks for looking out haha. I was wondering about the roach-back so thank you again for that bit. Why does DDR mean west German, to me that's dance dance revolution lol.

lizzybeth727 - Another thing I didn't know, that they lost most of their undercoat when it's hot. Ty ty.

Toller_08 - Forgot most boards censor d amn. Hey again, I see how you make it with the cold and I could probably do the same. Thing is I enjoy to spend lots of time outside exercising , I don't have a treadmill or anything either. So staying inside - despite being with my Dobie - would get pretty boring. I could get a treadmill though and a thick dog coat lol. Hopefully Ripley doesn't get too naughty hahaa.
About breeders, I have this magazine with a huge list of breeders in Ontario for many breeds. After I pick a breed, my plan is to go through the list starting with the closest ones and find the best that's closet. The magazine also has an extensive list of what and what not to look for in a good breeding including shots and hips/eyes etc. I didn't know that no line is completely free of DCM so that's a big surprise to me =(. I said Dec because I'll have xmas holidays and will be able to be on full time puppy watch for the first couple of weeks to get the puppy acostumed to my place, so it would be the ideal time but, waiting wouldn't be an issue for me. Thanks for the reply, forgot to ask can Dobies jump?

Laurelin - Cute pics, looks like you can't decide either haha. Yeah, I know there's so many variations of GSDs and, it's sad to hear about your GSD at least you took good care of him though.

I think I have all the info I need about Dobermans thanks to Toller_08.
Last few questions (I think lol) Does anybody know the general temperament differences between a male and female GSD?
Are German lines (working or show) more expensive then American ones? I keep seeing them for $1500-2000 =O. Ty in advance.
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Old 09-16-2009, 12:14 AM
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DDR is an abbreviation for the German term for former East Germany, a communist state. DDR and Czech (from former Czechoslovakia, another communist country) and the two primary bloodlines of working German Shepherd. For the most part, neither Czechoslovakia nor the DDR had the time or money to blow on pretty show dogs; GSD's that they kept either lived to work or didn't live. Kennels were primarily (or completely?) government owned, including the famous border patrol kennels, for keeping people from escaping lol

Prices vary; remember that German showline breeders usually import some or all of their breeding dogs (besides what they produce I mean).

Do you know what bloodline you are after? Do you just want a pet or do you want a working dog, what are you looking for temp-wise, do you want a hardcore, drivey dog or something more average?
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Old 09-16-2009, 12:18 AM
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Here's a good article:
HISTORY OF THE BORDER PATROL
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Old 09-16-2009, 12:37 AM
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DDR - shortened term for:
Deutsche Demokratische Republik (former East Germany)

By the way, I hope you like major shedding...my GSD is blowing her undercoat right now in big globs...I used a furminator and it looks like it snowed gray all over my yard.
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Old 09-16-2009, 07:36 AM
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this is Masi, my 17mth old czech/ddr girl



I"m partial to those gsd's, simply because I've had them since I was a small child)
They are definately a versatile breed some easier to live with than others.

I personally, wouldn't get a gsd to stand up to wildlife like coyotes /wolves only because I wouldn't put mine into that type of situation. Most do NOT instinctually protect , as with most dogs, they are into self preservation, so don't think any gsd you get will just go ahead and protect family/livestock..

Not only do you need to get a puppy with an excellent background in stable temperament, they need constant socialization and good training to bring out the best in them )

If you also plan on keeping your dog outside (as in they don't live in the house) I do not recommend a gsd, while they can probably tolerate your weather, they really aren't a dog who does well isolated from it's family nor left outside in extreme weather..

Good luck in your search
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Old 09-16-2009, 08:20 AM
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I've read that Dobes don't handle the heat very well compared to the GSD. There was a story about the military trying to use Dobes in the south pacific- thinking their thinner coats would work better in the heat. They found that the double coat of the GSD helped keep them cooler in the heat as well as warmer in the cold. I know from my own experience that our Dane, who has a coat similar to that of a Dobe, is not as tolerant of heat as our GSD is.

I think a good dog from either breed is going to make you happy, they are both easy to train and want to please.

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I just found this site that pretty much shows every GSD line ever bred lol - Breed Types & Related Families

Xandra - Oh I see.
I'm looking for a pet, but I do plan on spending lots of time exercising with him and training for a dog sport. A strong but sound and stable temperament would be best. I'd like to see him have a strong drive but with an 'on/off button' and not hardcore per se.
After looking at that site I linked, I'd have to say I'm in between German working or show lines.
I just read that the term roach back is only used when the topline of the arch is higher then the withers and that the German dogs have the slight curve to keep the hips tighter to the body. Which gives them a more solid bone and hip structure and helps prevent HP.

ACampbell0304 - Ah, okay thanks.
I don't mind shedding lol, I actually like brushing dogs too o.O

Jynx - Hi nice pic of your Masi!
I do plan to spend lots of time training the dog at all ages and, I won't be keeping him outside. Maybe during some really nice days but I'd just be out there with him haha. Thanks for the advice.

Danl - Looks like your GSD is having fun in that picture!
Interesting story, it does look like a GSD would be better for where I live. Thanks for the help.

Does anyone know the general temperament differences between a male and female GSD?
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Old 09-16-2009, 06:00 PM
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In my experience,,I have found the males to be so much easier going, more velcroey, kinda doofy, my two girls, are live wires,,they are more independent, however, I think they were faster learners, faster to mature. WHile velcroey, they were/are don't necessarily have to hang all over you, as long as they know where you are,,where my boys were always dogs that had to be rightthere,,,hard to explain,,I love both genders of gsd
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