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Old 09-11-2009, 12:46 PM
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The biggest fault of all is "lethal white", which we're all fairly familiar with. It happens when two merle dogs are bred together, producing a MxM dog. These dogs typically have sight and hearing issues, total deafness being very common as well as the lack of properly formed irises and in some severe cases, a total lack of eyeball. Dogs with an excessive amount of white should not automatically be classified as "LW".
Same problem persists in Border Collies... and in fact in any breed with a merle gene, AFAIK. Harlequin Great Danes have the same problem.
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Old 09-11-2009, 12:50 PM
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Yup; it seems to be a commonly accepted practice with Dane people though. It's starting to die out because of the rising uproar over white danes. And it's all in that quest for the "perfect Harl".
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Old 09-11-2009, 01:02 PM
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Treeing Walker Coonhounds come in tricolor. They can be blanketback-like Uncle Fred, saddleback, or open spotted. Excessive amounts of ticking on the white are undesirable. Every so often there are dogs with no black, and they are interesting but not proper.

Beagles come in all acceptable hound colors, which makes me wonder if they can be brindle or merle, since there are hounds in these colors. I met a brindle one once, which looked purebred, but who knows.
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Old 09-11-2009, 01:06 PM
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Papillons come in a lot of colors.

They are alway always always particolored. (white with colored patches). A colored head is required with no white over either ear or either eye. Nose is always black. Other than that, any markings go.

There are several basic patterns and colors and variations within those.

1st is tricolor. The dog is black, tan and white. There are two types of tricolor found in the breed. One is called 'traditional' and the other 'hound'. Hound is the same as saddled in many breeds (like border collies). Hounds are often mistaken for sables but you can tell the difference because hounds have pure black fur on their body whereas sables have banded fur. Mia is a hound tri.

Traditional and Hound


Then there is bicolor. Black and white, red and white, lemon and white are all examples of bicolors. Bicolors are white dogs with pure patches of color on them.

Lemon and white bicolor



Red and white bicolor



The third pattern is sable. Sable occurs in any color- sable, lemon sable, red sable, black sable etc. Black sable is a little interesting because it looks black but you can tell on close inspection the hairs are actually banded. Anyways sable is when a dog has banded hairs that are tipped black over their primary coat color. Masking is common in sables too. (Think Rose's 'bandit mask')

Sable by itself is sometimes used for heavily sabled dogs. My crew are all red sables except Mia.

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Black sable


There is also a color referred to as 'clear sable'. It's an interesting color and is actually Summer's color. She's a clear red sable. Meaning she looks bicolor but she's not. I thought she was bicolor until fairly recently when her hair grew out some more and a bit of black banding appeared on her ears. So from first glance she looks red and white, further inspection, she's actually sable.

Clear Red Sable:



Colors that show up that aren't allowed are dilutes of any form. Blue and liver and blue and liver tricolor (or sable) sometimes show up. They're DQ'd. The other DQ is bald/split faces and white on the ears.

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Black and white bicolor with a split face
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Beagles, any true hound color is accepted.

But the basics are..

from here: Google Image Result for http://clubs.akc.org/NBC/AnyHoundColor.jpg

Red and white


Tri-color (with variations)



Dilutes


The pieds


There's also blueticked
(This specific dog is from oakhill beagles, a kennel I want to get my next beagle from)


And black and tan, like Kody! (pic is not Kody)
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Oh and then there's dogs like Ocarina that make you realize it's not so cut and dried. What color is she? No one can agree.

Sable?



Or tricolor?



She has a sabled looking head but her body patches are pure black which indicates she's actually probably a masked hound tri. But really no one can agree.

There is also a dog that looks traditional tricolor until you part his hair and he is actually banded so thus sable.
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Beagles come in all acceptable hound colors, which makes me wonder if they can be brindle or merle, since there are hounds in these colors. I met a brindle one once, which looked purebred, but who knows.
Thats the debate as there are a lot of hounds. The website I listed that I got my pictures from goes over that too.

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Just what IS any recognized hound color? This has been a matter of controversy for many hundreds of years, not only in the United States but in other countries as well. The British Standard allows for "any recognized hound color except liver", although it used to allow all hound colors. And, when we speak of "hound colors", are we talking only scent hounds or are we including the Teckel (dachshund) group, the sighthounds and other miscellaneous so-called hounds such as the Norwegian Elkhound? Most people agree that the recognized hound colors are those occuring in the Pack Hounds, such as the English and American Foxhounds, the Harrier, the Beagle, and the Basset Hound. Although if we include other obvious pack hounds such as the many breeds of Coonhounds we can get quite a different variety of colors because of the many crosses made in developing those breeds, even brindle. Then there are the rough-coated scent hounds such as the Otterhound, the Petit Basset Griffon Vendeen and others not yet recognized by AKC, whose coat color often tends to be more grizzled.
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Thats the debate as there are a lot of hounds. The website I listed that I got my pictures from goes over that too.
That's what I was wondering about, because the coonhounds not only include the always brindled Plott, but now also the merled American Leopard Hound. Those certainly are scenthounds, and those are their standard colors.
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That's what I was wondering about, because the coonhounds not only include the always brindled Plott, but now also the merled American Leopard Hound. Those certainly are scenthounds, and those are their standard colors.
I tend to agree more with this statement:

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Most people agree that the recognized hound colors are those occuring in the Pack Hounds, such as the English and American Foxhounds, the Harrier, the Beagle, and the Basset Hound.
Those are all, to me, the closely related hounds that I see as accepted colors for beagles.
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I've seen Goldens from very light cream to Irish Setter red .
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