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Old 09-13-2009, 10:20 AM
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I think We should just let all these thread die out.

Lets just ALL agree That GSD's are worthless in the working world and CAS dogs Can do it all. And Have no faults
I don't think that was her message. I think GSDs are probably the best "Jack of all Trades". I think a logical argument can be made that there isn't anything a GSD can't do and do well.

I however could argue (and I have heard serious Schutzhund handlers say this) that the GSD isn't the best at any thing. There are some many specialized breeds out there how can a J.O.T. The will never be the best Tracker, Retriever, Guardian, Herder etc but they can do them all.

Comparing a GSD to a CAS in guarding to me is like comparing a GSD to a Border Collie in herding. You are not saying that a GSD can't guard but you really can't say that as a whole a GSD can hope to keep up with the average BC while herding.
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Old 09-13-2009, 10:41 AM
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Ok looking for Goldens doing bite work and found this
And was blown away check out this Golden S and R dog check out the Drive.
The one doing the bite is a mix with no GSD in it.

BUT WOW
YouTube - Dog Training: Lisa Myers of SouthJersey SMS w/ Sampson&Rocky

Airedale doing PP work
YouTube - Airedale 110+ yard send
Airedale SCH ! 89 points
YouTube - Airedale SchH1 Protection

Teaching cindy how to protect from personal attack Border collie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMtBnEvKB

how to train a yorkie to protect starts with tug work (like i said it all starts here)
YouTube - Yorkshire Terrier - Obedience Training - Protection Training

Boston terrier doing protection work
YouTube - Protection Boston.wmv
Cat protects owner.
YouTube - Cat Tries To Save Owner From Attempted Theft

Can we put to rest that dogs not bred for guarding can be taught to guard.
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Old 09-13-2009, 11:00 AM
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Here are FACTS of what I said about GSD. Istead of assuming why dont you go to my profile click stats click posts and go to pg 6 fwd. I did not ever make the CAS the best dog. I said the GSD was ........

THis thread should read GOOD watch dogs .NO better than the GSD and u can get a long coated one.. Good pet and family dog Newfie will bark and great at swimming

here is me saying another breed is a good watch dog
Number one watch dog in the cities were Taco bell dogs

I then went on and on about 9 other breeds being great and was asked many questions that i answered NEVER pimping the CAS. Most of the posts had NO CAS talk .Until the war came.

3 Pages into guardian thread GSD lover made statements that were WRONG about LGDS
and were WRONG about GSD as well. The topic was NOT Cas. CAS were not spoke of since i nixed it on page 1 . She went into auto defense about good gsds vs the breed as a whole.

Here is page 1 one CAS info when I was invited to the thread. I was online only to do a rescue tranport for chaz. i advised NO for CAS.
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/t104661/

Here is page 2 general chat all breeds .
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/t104661-2/

Here is GSD wrong assumptions on LGDS exc maybe a pry.
http://www.chazhound.com/forums/t104661-3/

NOTe the thread poster was chating all the way thru and was happy with learning.

So the only ones having a issue was that a thread entitled guardian dogs did NOT revolve around the GSD.
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Old 09-13-2009, 11:06 AM
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Something I wrote about the CAS long ago.
Even some things need updating this is a base.
In addiion renee wants to find the footage of my 1st TV appearance OLN in which I tell the WORLD the CAS is not for everyone and explain why the GSD is better.
IVe done over 8 TV appearances including Oxygen network never ever pimped the CAS .
So much so the millers and yarders in my breed flipped out when I told people do not get one .
10 Reasons Not To Own the Breed.A 1. Barking This Breed are nocturnal barkers. Females bark much more than males.
This is a big problem for people who keep dogs in yards at nite... vs in home
Did you know your town could fine you ,if your dog barks for more than 15 minutes during certain times?

2. Shedding. Once a Year they blow a coat that is politely called a FUR STORM.

3. Size. Males 100-150-lbs allot of dog to take care of. My males don't fit in a normal size car. Allot of dog to have around family members they may not understand BIG Dog Mentality.

4. Fencing.Secured Fencing this breed needs Minimum 6 foot chain link , stockade ,field fencing with hot wire. Underground, 4ft,split rail Simply is NOT good enough

5. Bad Start. Founded in sheer numbers in 1995 by a later convicted Puppymiller Anna Frumina.

Many dogs were bred by the hundreds with no health, or quality control ( some mutts sold as Purebreds). Thus the vast majority of people in this breed are backyard breeders set up by her .

6 Commitment- Are you ready for the 10 plus year commitment for this breed. Money ?, fencing time? Not for the Novice dog owner , Above Average dog for above Average owner.

7. Hip Dysphasia is Genetic BIG Dog inherited disease .
All Parents must be screened & info passed on to buyers.

8 Behavior: Severe difference in temperaments due to huge variance in breed types in this breed..

Traditional Livestock Nomadic lines great family dogs for USA. predicable, Lives well in alpha Packs.

New Factory bred created dog fighting lines. Due to BSL not great for USA, Unpredictable ,

Solitary kennel life dogs bred from factory fighting lines are not suitable for US Families.

Don't judge the whole breed by the 1 type. VISIT your Breeder!!

But if you don't have the patience to learn the difference between the good the bad & the UGLY in this breed .
Please do NOT buy this breed. Not easily trainable for high level of Obedience.9. Digging . Like flower beds or nice lawns. No more this breed loves to DIG

10. The fact that I even had to put this page up shows you we are not doing so good.

1. Lack of Screening of Hip Dysphasia and any other diseases. ACL Repairs & HD Surgery can cost thousands.

2. Forging of Paper Work. No DNA or Tattoo Or Mircochipping is most common, or not matching.

3. Not responsible for the dog if is only a broker. They can NOT be sued if the dog is NOT bred by them.

4. Lack of socialization. Any breeder that sells puppies to a middle man is NOT a breeder at all. Thus puppies are Not given the crucial socialization at a time in their life they need it most.

Gamble -Buying from a Broker is like pulling the lever of slots see what you get.

6. BIG HIGH expense for shipping due to Euro dollar can be more than the pup itself.

What happens if the dog needs to go back? If it cost $500-$1,000 to ship a 8 weeks old puppy .

How much will it cost to ship a 1 Year old 130lb dog that you do not want any more.

7. Lack of enforceable guarantee's- How will you sue someone for a sick pup in Europe?

8. Help ? A breeder should be available to you 24-7. Where will the broker/bad breeder be when the dog gets sick?

Do they even give you a address or a telephone that you can speak to a English speaking person?

9. What happens when the unexpected hits home? Will you ship the dog back to a breeder you do not trust? So far away?

10. Due to in decrease of working breeders & increase of show - fighting breeders . How safe will your family & dogs be ??
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Old 09-13-2009, 01:22 PM
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Airedales were used as police dogs for many years- seeing a video of them is no surprise.

I am probably lying though, seeing as I'm not just a liar, but a pathological one.
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Old 09-13-2009, 02:32 PM
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Now you have a great day you hear.
I am going to meet a new GSD next week a sire
I mentioned to todays caller I am in desparate need of a herder till the fence is fixed.
So if I like the stud I may be getting a boomerang dog that did not do well as a pet and wants a job. NO more chasing sheep in my undies. Hooray.
We are trying him out next week.
Wow cant believe the breed "i hate: lol what a joke may be back to help me.

Thanks to this thread I am being offered a chance to get a great GSD for herding.

THANKS GUYS >>>>>>>>>>>
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I thought I would wade in here just for a little bit; to mention one thing that I found a little off.

The video with Bobo and his bite work -- yes, absolutely yes; he wouldn't make a SchH dog at the stage he is at in the video. He bites "shallow", "regrips" and backs off the decoy. All very typical for the breed. Bobo doesn't back from the decoy because he's unsure; he's hoping to lure him in -- and yeah; I know everyone says their dog does that; unfortunately for the decoy; the CAS likes to fight that way. You'll notice during some of the video; Bobo is tugging hard on the sleeve; not because he wants to win the sleeve; although his handler has done an amazing job convincing him of that; but because he'd like to bite something real, they are a soft underbelly kind of dog. Frabo has actually done a lot of work to get him to hold the sleeve. As Dan noticed; that's counter to what the breed is all about; they are supposed to be about the man; not the equipment.

Bernhard thinks they are su-per guard dogs; he boards one at his facility in Germany. He was the second person to agitate my bitch and did a little spiel about the breed to the other people at the seminar. I'm sure most of the attendees were a little taken aback when they saw me bring the big hairy out of the car; but they understood what she was all about after she lit up that day. He did a wonderful job cementing in her head; our alert command.

I however was remiss in my training; since she shows no interest in the sleeve and will go over the sleeve and aim for the decoy's head; and she will spit the sleeve in the air; come down and go up again. Nasty for the decoy; so we don't get to play anymore.
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Old 09-14-2009, 03:00 AM
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Next time you go tell me like to look at the pics so i can know the face if I run into you... I checked out the sept found a kangal.

Can you tell me which one had a CAS? ravenna ohio may or july?

This summer we had CAS showing In <MASS, NJ, VA, GA, Ny, Canada, and Denver plus CA. Most ever. Everthing went well but for a newbie in California.
Some of the dogs showing are the new Ovcharka type normally white with or without spots.

I dont breed for uniformity or for new show types. If you see a dog from me it will be richly colored. I have 3 yellows but no whites.

Thanks JD
I usually go to the CCKC, Ravenna Ohio shows that are held 3 times a year. But this last weekend (Labor day weekend) we attended the Punxsutawney PA show. That is where I met my first CAS.
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