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Old 09-12-2009, 09:57 AM
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PM...if it was Sept 09, would not have been me, I was in PA at a show that weekend.
Next time you go tell me like to look at the pics so i can know the face if I run into you... I checked out the sept found a kangal.

Can you tell me which one had a CAS? ravenna ohio may or july?

This summer we had CAS showing In <MASS, NJ, VA, GA, Ny, Canada, and Denver plus CA. Most ever. Everthing went well but for a newbie in California.
Some of the dogs showing are the new Ovcharka type normally white with or without spots.

I dont breed for uniformity or for new show types. If you see a dog from me it will be richly colored. I have 3 yellows but no whites.

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Old 09-12-2009, 10:11 AM
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I think a big part of PM's point is that you don't have to "train" the LGD dogs she has, they just know what to do. Somehow that makes them better than our dogs, even though it's one thing.

There are a lot of dogs that do one thing better than the GSD. Better protectors, better herders, better guardians, better trackers, faster runners, higher jumpers. A GSD is like having a student who gets all B's, vs one who gets an A at one subject and gets C-D-Fs on the rest.
I never SAID they are BETTER. Pls stop lying,
Any chance when you are wrong you stating you are mistaken?.
I have recommended GSD before the guardian thread and after the guardian thread. I am not in the habit of recommending a breed that I do not believe can do what the persons wnats.

In fact you are the one that is saying your dog your breed is better by constantly and i mean constantly making WRONG statements based on NO work wiht LGDS let alone my specific breed.

You compare them to a test now sport created for the GSD.
Yet you claim I say BETTER. By going after the Bites the CAS did take and saying they are not good enough for your SPORT when in fact they were good enough to protect the nomads for thousands of years. Yet they are downgraded every time a sport person views a comment about natural protection.

My opinion on GSD is from real work not net chat.

If you want to blame me for all the ills of the GSD world fine if that what it takes to make you sleep at nite go for it.
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Old 09-12-2009, 10:21 AM
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Again god wow.

Ok the threads have been about guarding _NOT PSI not POINTS NOT SChuzand!!.

You using your knowledge of what a correct bite is - is based on SPORT .

I dont sell SPORT dogs period!!!!!!

I sell territory protection dogs period!!!!!!!
We use TESTING like the first GSD did to see if they will Bite, if they will oFF and how long it takes them to recover and turn off. We do NOT do SPort!!!

And please tell me why you wont come get a free hit if the amount of sleeve they take is not enough to stop a intruder?.

Anyone who knows LGDS know that after thr first or second time being put into defense they figure out this is not real life this is a game. ANd on many occasions depending on te tester do NOT give the same reaction they do when real life occurs.

If you agree the can protect why in gods name are we still comparing apples to oranges?

PS Bobo is Coz grand son yellow dog his sire is from a security line COld war Meat factory guard. The dogs pedigrees were listed based on function not show before the Russian kennel federation was formed and got into FCI.
Today some diehards refuse to reg with RKF FCI and keep pedigrees based on work,

Bear Sire TT Protection Tan Security line
FF Pebbles mo CGC working lgd
FF Bobo CGC
Grand Dam Ali CGC TDI TAN TT Titled OKD KS protection line Uzbekistan
Grand Sire Coz CGC TDI TAN TT protection Workking LGD from france, sire frm Siberian Mink Factory guard , mom line Kooche dog from nomads.

Its not the odd thing to have selected for stable working temps,
Not ever dog I have is a guard dog some are watch dogs and they are fixed.
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Old 09-12-2009, 10:31 AM
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Dan a TDI dog is supposed to be the MOST trusted ,
When you responded to me posting that i have 2 TDI dogs.
With if someone fell watch out? because your friend says his TDI dog is not trustable to be petted.

NOt trustable to be petted after a TDI is UNSTABLE!!!!!!

I have been bit by unstable GSDs does that mean yours are unstable.?
You used a Bourvier to compare at least ive worked with your breed.
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Old 09-12-2009, 10:34 AM
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I love GSDs and I love hearing about and learning about CAS because honestly, its a breed I knew nothing about until I joined this forum

I dont know why its like you have to choose lol this isn't deal or no deal

both are different and good in their own aspects, theres no BETTER.
one is extremely popular and the other is not. thats the only real difference
and with popularity..comes its problems lol
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Old 09-12-2009, 12:01 PM
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Well if all CAS owners are this insulting, they'll forever be crossed off my list.

If you're going to compete in a sport like bite-work (schutzhund) as a SPORT (not PP, those are 2 different things) then do it well, those bites aren't full mouthed and won't win you any points...

If you intend to show that as breed ability, show it as to the best of their ability. It's fine you have a dog that will get the sleeve in the videos ( you never said if it's your dog ,I'm assuming it's not) good, but the bites are poor...why would you show that video except that people who don't know the difference see it as impressive, smoke and mirrors.

I have no doubt the dogs do what they are bred to do, but being insulting and such gets nobody anywhere.

My GSD is territorial protective. She's tried nailing several people for inviting themselves in my house...so what? Who cares?! I'd much prefer a dog that didn't take it upon themselves to jump into the situation. I want a dog as a companion, not because I"m too afraid to be on my own property...that's what I have a gun for.
To me, all a dog needs to do is bark and wake me up, end of story...I'm not sending my dog in to do MY work and risk their life. That's like taking a knife to a gun fight.

We do schutzhund training, because it's good exercise, it's fun, and appeals to us both. Will my dog bite without a sleeve without training...YES, she has nailed an intruder before and cornered one of my friends who invited themselves in. Yes, I can call her off as well, 100%. Will all GSD's do that? No, will all "protection" breeds do that? NO!
It's like drive, either they got it, or they don't.
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Old 09-12-2009, 12:15 PM
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you picked this fight in the guardian thread. you essentially called the GSD crap, said they had no protection instinct & wouldn't take a full bite. now that they are critiqueing your videos you claim a full bite isn't necessary and getting even more bent about the abilities of your breed. just a bit to anyone don't pick fights unless your prepared to accept the consequences to include getting your butt handed to you.
i must admit this is a shocking new side of you. I am at a loss as on the other boards i've never seen you attack anyone/anything so aggressively and be so blatantly wrong.
can we all just agree a good GSD is a capable protector and a good CAS is also a capable protector, crap is crap regardless of breed and let it go.
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Old 09-12-2009, 12:16 PM
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Dan a TDI dog is supposed to be the MOST trusted ,
When you responded to me posting that i have 2 TDI dogs.
With if someone fell watch out? because your friend says his TDI dog is not trustable to be petted.

NOt trustable to be petted after a TDI is UNSTABLE!!!!!!

I have been bit by unstable GSDs does that mean yours are unstable.?
You used a Bourvier to compare at least ive worked with your breed.
You can't read. I never said my friend has a TDI dog! I said his dog has a CGC. His dog could never be a TDI dog. He knows that and has no desire to pursue that.

I KNOW WHAT A TDI DOG IS!
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Old 09-12-2009, 12:21 PM
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Again you cant quote one wrong thing or one insult I made about the GSD.
And as expected you went into MY I DOG GSD. I did not use MY I dog.
It became about each GSD dogs owned here long ago .
Instead being able to disprove the prey vs defense vs self preservation vs drives.
Everyone went into MY dog can do this and my dog can do that.
yet we all know they do not represent the breed as a whole.

I quoted standard profiles history and GSD people went off thinking every time some said that GSD are not born biting full sleeves and not all GSD are naturally protective, or that they herd and do not take FULL mouth bites of SHeep, and that herding/prey drive can give the impression the dog is biting but in fact they are nipping from behind to move the sheep and some herding dogs will herd anything inc humans.

NOT one negative or completely off base thing you will FIND about GSD I said.
Yet you will find tons of wrong info posted about drives and the CAS fro GSD people and not one opps I was wrong ever posted.

So if you consider correcting wrong info that can cause BSL rude.
Then im VERY RUDE thank you so much. And im in good company here
I have over 44 emails calls pvt messages from chaz members aggreeing with me, thanking me for info.But dont wish to lose friends who own GSD and take every comment personal.
ive asked them not to stick up for me no need too . But I asked moderators to remove he entire thead. They said it should stay. So it must be helping someone.

Truth is the mark of any good breeder is not how well liked they are,
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Old 09-12-2009, 12:25 PM
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Guess you dont visit chat? Sorry my ass is doing fine.
One person wrote tehy were ging to get a GSD and that they wont now.
They like the breed they do not like the competiness posted..

And you cant quote ONE thing wrote calling GSD crap.
And you miss all the great tings I wrote and the fact I had REAL Partners of the GSD variety.

Please by all means PROVE ONE THING WRONG????
I will donate money to chaz rescue if you can prove beyond a doubt anything I said about GSD.


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you picked this fight in the guardian thread. you essentially called the GSD crap, said they had no protection instinct & wouldn't take a full bite. now that they are critiqueing your videos you claim a full bite isn't necessary and getting even more bent about the abilities of your breed. just a bit to anyone don't pick fights unless your prepared to accept the consequences to include getting your butt handed to you.
i must admit this is a shocking new side of you. I am at a loss as on the other boards i've never seen you attack anyone/anything so aggressively and be so blatantly wrong.
can we all just agree a good GSD is a capable protector and a good CAS is also a capable protector, crap is crap regardless of breed and let it go.
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