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Old 09-12-2009, 02:36 AM
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PM...if it was Sept 09, would not have been me, I was in PA at a show that weekend.
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Old 09-12-2009, 08:05 AM
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Dan BOBO was trying to drag the bad guy back to his owner that what a LGD does they circle BACK to the flock. They do NOT do long sends!!!!

The obedience for a LGD was great that woman in Europe has done better than most world wide. But since you vision is self limiting to GSD or die. And you lack knowledge of LGDS or other type guardians .
All you can do is compare to your work . Which is why simply nothing I can say will educate or change your mind.

You wrongly claimed they have ONE trick.
I proved they can do tricks period.

BIte see other thread You are welcome to come here for a real threat
take a bite from any dog without a sleeve try to get to me and see what happens.
real bad guys the ones I took down do not come equiped with sleeves.
And Your dog would be happy if he got the sleeve. My dog would Not let the bad guy in with no paid training.

Comparing a bouvier to a CAS is OMG u got to be kidding.
And claiming cause your friends dog is unstable to my breed is SICK.
And i could list the many many unstable GSDs that I have FAILED as a CGC tester that were PP dogs. I have their signed FORMS.

PS TDI if you knew it is MUCH harder than a CGC the CGC is first step for TDI.
The dogs ar eoften Hugged rolled on back have to navigate wheel chairs dropped bed bans and people use them to STAND up. Pressure is applied.
U r correct some CAS who pass TDI can not work in hospitals .
But you can NOT even fathom why.

Here is the dog CGC protection dog BOBO real unstable dog LOL.
YouTube - Seriously stable central asian shepherd FF BOBO
over 40000 people were here that day o

Re livestock work next time at 4 am when the coyotes attack I will remember to get the Video camera instead of shoving the gun in many hand and grabbing more dogs for back up.
The fact u hit that too shows you lack TOTAL dog knowedge outside your BUBBLE.
We must be seeing different things. I saw Bobo coming off the bite. He wasn't dragging anything. The sleeve was practically being force fed to him. Then he finally takes the sleeve and carries it around- when he should be going back after the man if he's still in the area. What is their area of defense- 3 feet? GSDs will continue to try and get the man no matter how far away he gets, until called off.

That obedience might be good for that dog but it's not good in general. I've seen OB on a lot of dogs- not just GSD. My OB trainer has a CDX standard poodle and in my group for training were several CDX dogs- none of them GSDs. I know what good obedience is. Attentive heeling, straight sits and downs, enthusiastic recalls- didn't see any of that from that dog, sorry.

You are welcome to come here and take a live bite from my dog too- what does that prove? I already acknowledged your dogs are good at territorial protection. Your dog will mess me up, my dog will mess you up. Can we get off this sleeve thing? My dog could care less about a sleeve. I've trained many scenarios with him where he gets the sleeve and the decoy comes after me, he drops the sleeve and goes right after the man. It does not end with him getting the sleeve. Many other GSDs I've worked with are the same way. I can alert him on any person at any time, people who don't have sleeves. I get suspicious people walking around my neighborhood sometimes. One word, he's on alert and is barking at the person. They leave. Protection isn't always about biting someone- it's about making the threat go away. You should know that.

I never said my friends Bouv was unstable. She's very stable. He just doesn't trust her, even tho' she has a CGC. Maybe he's just a little more careful taking a dog with a certain genetic background into places that are out of their element.

I fully understand what is involved with TDI as our Dane will be certified as a TDI dog as soon as my wife takes her for her test. One of my former trainers was a TDI evaluator and wanted my GSD to do it as well. He'd easily pass the tests, as will the Dane.

From the defensiveness of your posts, it sounds like you are the one living in the bubble. You think that someone who hasn't been around dogs as long as you can't know anything, but if you got out of your bubble you'd realize that a lot of us have mentors and trainers who have been around more dogs than you have and have accomplished more.
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Old 09-12-2009, 08:15 AM
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they train police dogs (GSDs mostly) with the sleeve. and you've seen them do their work
so honestly, i dont think the sleeve has anything to do with protective ability or bite strength or anything.
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Old 09-12-2009, 08:18 AM
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they train police dogs (GSDs mostly) with the sleeve. and you've seen them do their work
so honestly, i dont think the sleeve has anything to do with protective ability or bite strength or anything.
sleeve is first, then bite suit, then hidden arm/leg protection and muzzle work where the dog has to fight with a muzzle on against a man with no gear on.
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Old 09-12-2009, 08:21 AM
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sleeve is first, then bite suit, then hidden arm/leg protection and muzzle work where the dog has to fight with a muzzle on against a man with no gear on.
thanks
I figured it was something like that. the sleeve is part of a learning process, so even if bad guys don't wear sleeves lol a dog that is trained will still know what to do
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Old 09-12-2009, 08:31 AM
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Point is you play games every weekend u do a sport u may compete.

Dogs that protect from HOME do not PRACTICE on sleeves they do NOt NEED A FULL MOUTH BITE TO stop A INTRUDER.

And truth me it told if a 20 year old broke man breaks in for the TV I do not want him torn apart or his arm broken.

I also dont have to be present to command my dogs to protect.

Point is your dogs are trained and are sleeve happy.
I would be happy to take a bite from your dog in your arena wearing a sleeve .
I have not doubt he will ful bite the has been trained LONG time to do this.

NOW you come steal my TV no sleeve .Tell me you would fight my dogs for that TV with no sleeve. Since burglars do not stop at dog supply stores to suit up prior to robbing raping or murdering.

Logic well for us logic people.

Defensive the fact that YOU do not KNOW my breed and you make total WRONG statements despite proof showing they are more than STABLE.
And compare me to UNTRUSTABLE dogs . AHHH why would i take offense.
UGH.

Shows you lack of character not the GSD,

LOL a TDI dog that cant be trusted is stable.?
DID you read that statement after your wrote. It condradicts itself making it mute like most of your valid less points,
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Old 09-12-2009, 08:33 AM
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I think a big part of PM's point is that you don't have to "train" the LGD dogs she has, they just know what to do. Somehow that makes them better than our dogs, even though it's one thing.

There are a lot of dogs that do one thing better than the GSD. Better protectors, better herders, better guardians, better trackers, faster runners, higher jumpers. A GSD is like having a student who gets all B's, vs one who gets an A at one subject and gets C-D-Fs on the rest.
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Old 09-12-2009, 08:43 AM
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Fran yes a dog that is trained to bite a arm with a sleeve will indeed bite a arm and hold with no sleeve present. read my pos never said they wouldnt

I said my dogs who do not get the same grips a GSD does based on SLEEEEVE training,
Would STOP any man who came into the house with NO training.

And that with out protection the bite of this dog half way will STOP a man period.

That is a fact and if dan wants to prove that he could get past my dogs with no suit with their half ass bites by golly im game he is not,

Yep just anyone is going past this because he does not take the sleeve like a GSD,
For a sport once test developed for GSDs.




I have showed proof they will bite, I showed proof same dogs are more than trustable and stable. And are not hyper or over reactive to anyone if socialized.

Yet He wont take back his comments at min about my dogs.
Go back to the Guardian thread even after he assumed and made wrong statement
I said he has a nice dog and i know a good protection trained dog. and he is stunning.
Difference between me and Dan I do not respond to his pics of his breed by comparing them to mine. HE DOES which is saying a orange tastes like a apple since they are both fruits.
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Old 09-12-2009, 08:44 AM
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Point is you play games every weekend u do a sport u may compete.

Dogs that protect from HOME do not PRACTICE on sleeves they do NOt NEED A FULL MOUTH BITE TO stop A INTRUDER.

And truth me it told if a 20 year old broke man breaks in for the TV I do not want him torn apart or his arm broken.

I also dont have to be present to command my dogs to protect.

Point is your dogs are trained and are sleeve happy.
I would be happy to take a bite from your dog in your arena wearing a sleeve .
I have not doubt he will ful bite the has been trained LONG time to do this.

NOW you come steal my TV no sleeve .Tell me you would fight my dogs for that TV with no sleeve. Since burglars do not stop at dog supply stores to suit up prior to robbing raping or murdering.

Logic well for us logic people.

Defensive the fact that YOU do not KNOW my breed and you make total WRONG statements despite proof showing they are more than STABLE.
And compare me to UNTRUSTABLE dogs . AHHH why would i take offense.
UGH.

Shows you lack of character not the GSD,

LOL a TDI dog that cant be trusted is stable.?
DID you read that statement after your wrote. It condradicts itself making it mute like most of your valid less points,
I'm really starting to think your reading comprehension isn't all there, either that or you read the parts of my posts that you want to read and make your own summary of it.

Where did I say a TDI dog was unstable? No where! I said my friend doesn't 100% trust his Bouv who has a CGC. How that got to TDI I have no idea.

You don't know my dog at all yet you make statements that he's sleeve happy. You say you'll take a bite from him with a sleeve but want me to take a bite from yours without? What kind of offer is that? Come take a bite without a sleeve!

I don't care if some crackhead breaks into my house to steal my stuff- stuff can be replaced. My dog is there to protect my family. Try to harm someone in my family- anywhere- not just at my house- my dog will be all over you, no sleeve needed. Like I already said protection isn't always about biting, it's about elminating a threat. If my dog shows aggression at my command towards someone who has the intent to harm me, and that person goes away, then he's done his job. No bite needed. Not all of our training is based on biting, a lot of it is based on addressing and stopping threats. No sleeve or suit needed for that.

You can keep insulting me all you want, I have a strong back and can take it. It only shows your lack of intelligence and ability to carry on a conversation with someone.
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Old 09-12-2009, 08:50 AM
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Fran yes a dog that is trained to bite a arm with a sleeve will indeed bite a arm and hold with no sleeve present. read my pos never said they wouldnt

I said my dogs who do not get the same grips a GSD does based on SLEEEEVE training,
Would STOP any man who came into the house with NO training.

And that with out protection the bite of this dog half way will STOP a man period.

That is a fact and if dan wants to prove that he could get past my dogs with no suit with their half ass bites by golly im game he is not,

Yep just anyone is going past this because he does not take the sleeve like a GSD,
For a sport once test developed for GSDs.




I have showed proof they will bite, I showed proof same dogs are more than trustable and stable. And are not hyper or over reactive to anyone if socialized.

Yet He wont take back his comments at min about my dogs.
Go back to the Guardian thread even after he assumed and made wrong statement
I said he has a nice dog and i know a good protection trained dog. and he is stunning.
Difference between me and Dan I do not respond to his pics of his breed by comparing them to mine. HE DOES which is saying a orange tastes like a apple since they are both fruits.
When did I say your dog wasn't nice? I said the example of bitework you posted in the video was not good- is that your dog? If you can't understand that, then I give up.

Why would I try to get past your dogs on your property- I already said they do a good job at guarding, no need for me to test that without a suit or sleeve is there?
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