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Old 09-13-2009, 08:29 AM
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Ok what truth ? You got it

For every GOOD GSD the ONE you own or the few Dan owned their are 1000 fear biter insane GSDS out there. You want the public to beleive most GSDS are like yours

THEY ARE NOT.

I dont live in a bubble I lived in a Major city NYC I see what most see.
And the dog was put down cause the NET promotes dogs in a negative manner.
They are NOT more or less of a liabiliy than GSD . Cause they are laid back and not prey driven.
PLus you can PUT control on them like any other breed with training and social work. This you would know if u lived outside the GSDs
OVer 30000 CAO in Russia and thousands upon thouands in Central Asia an enough puppymillers here to have indicents.
Yet we DONT have the liabilties issues and no insurance company in Euro has put the CAO on any ban list.
Upon that the breed existed along side and do today as a nomadic dog with no fencing and no control and CULLING remove bad ones Natural selection removed the bad ones.
They are still strong but will one day they be in the same class as the GSD as being ruined by man. ? YES they will its in mans nature to do this dog breeds.

All you care about is scoring every bite video againest your work.

You working are not better than the show people who only care about Ribbons
Both sets KNOW jack about breeding correct dog if they ignore comformation as it related to health, and working ability on how it ranges
Not ONLY should the best in show dog and the high score of better sleeve dog should be bred vs over bred
But a dog that qualifies under the standard that is NOT competitive but is healthy and has good qualities.
If we did not ignore the genetic diversity that was no competitive by nature or my pocket and outcrossed once every few generations vs inbreeding on titled dogs we would have the GSD as it should be.

Dogs poeple who act like this are the ones that ruined many breeds.

Its not about dogs its about you and you ego.
A good judge of any sport or comformation always starts with the positive and looks towards the standard for guidance ( if it has nt changed) then they look twards original standard to help asses the dog . Last they hit the negative as it pertains to the breed.
They assist the owner in how to correct it in behavior or training or breeding.

Simply all you care about is being right.

If the GSD community and the dogs were like they were in that video the breed would still be the WORKING dog the Captain wanted.
VS the disgrace the breed has become.
This started with someone wanting a guardian breed. And i can tell you without a doubt it is VERy hard Very expenisive to Find a good GSD and if you do you then must find the drives that suit family life.
The video anyone of THOSE dogs could live with a family, naturally protect, live long and need min training for control and never have to do bite work if the dont want too,
Those dogs in the video are better than most guardian breeds today in the WORLD.

To new GSD people finding this thread .
If stating NOW that their are mrore crappy GSD today than good ones is attacking the breed . They yes I am attacking TODAY.

Ive put up with lying and assuming from novice dog people with limited experience outside of pet ownership for over 100 posts. And all they do is keeping going when i provide the proof they asked for . They can NOT disprove my earlier comments about GSD .
TRUTH HURTS fine then maybe you and dan should BE breeders and risk it all to save the breed. Vs this virtual world bubble you want us to live online.
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Old 09-13-2009, 09:37 AM
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PM, It is very hard for somebody to even want to take anything you say seriously when you write it like you do, I would LOVE to learn something, but the way you come off so defensive and arrogant, I dont even want to "listen" to what you have to say about it anymore. The way I, as somebody trying to LEARN, am seeing these posts is, you think you know all, and you take things WAY out of context and you are very arrogant about it all. You seem to refuse to listen to anybody else. Nobody EVER attacked your breed. EVER. But for some reason you feel the need to attack Our breed. I think it is beyond childish and petty.

BTW, you are around GOOD CAS dogs that are trained, right?

How many are out there that are just like those 1000 fearbiting GSD's that you have not met? How many are out there running around wild being a nuisance? Do you forget that you are not the only one that owns and, Oh yea, Cant forget that you Breed them and Know everything about them.


Oh and gotta tell ya, The only person here that seems to have a big ego, is you.

BUt go ahead, insult ME now for stating what I see. Because there is no way in hell you could ever do or say anything wrong.
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Old 09-13-2009, 09:56 AM
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Why ask a question if you really dont want the answer too.

I have seen hundreds if not thousands lost count after i dont know 10 years and it has been 30 years of fearfull GSD in my life time. Exc the bite I got was recent cause my reflects have slowed.

Ive explained in detail on other posts HOW i seen these dogs.

I have recieved over now 50 emails PM and calls from Chaz members thanking me for the info and asking me to stay they think im leaving cause of the "way the gsd people treatd me" even a few of the chazzers that wrote have GSD.

See my other post unless you start with the guardian thread than this thread then the CAS thread and followed it from post to post . I gave up long ago and let the guardian thread die with GSD people having last word. The poster of that thread in chat room asked me to let it go. I DID and then i was chased to other threads being accused of hiding by not answering her.

And you know what when im asked questions so of base in a format designed to attempt to make me look foolish to prove in valid points . Of course I am going to look ego like.
I am supposed to look humble and friendly in a online war athmosphere? are u kidding?
Just call me a bitch it would cut to the chase see bitchology on Fire hydrant.
I do fit that term and im not upset by it.
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Old 09-13-2009, 10:03 AM
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People were talking about how old Somebodys dogs were and then all of a sudden YOU came in and started going off about stuff. but yet its other people fault for this debate. WOW.
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Old 09-13-2009, 10:05 AM
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Pls give link about age of dogs and my reply? I do not remember this the same way the quotes yesterday were inaccuate.

I will expand not all the GSD ive met are just fear aggressive, many are hyper beyond hyper. many dogs did not exhibit the correct mindset of the GSD.

Now the GSD ive seen at PP trials or the SCH club of Buffalo were WOW.
Most all of these were police dogs, PO in training inc Czeck, sport dogs etc.

When you compare them to the show bred ( some not all) dogs that look and act nothign like the working set. The World dog show in Mexico was WAR US bred GSD vs German Euro bred they looked and ac ted like 2 different breeds in one ring.
Euro wons of USA on looks but not wins all the time.

So u have show then work and the MOST GSd ive seen are poorly bred dogs in major cities. The poorly bred dogs out number the good ones. They exist and it is NOT my fault they do.

Added we always say to someone that dont buy RESCUE. And do you really think every or all rescues are well bred? and dont come with issues?

Truth is in the GSD case they should buy from a good breeder and make sure the temp matches to what they want. However I am RESCUE RESCUE RESCUE and if u have the time pls adopt a GSD but commit to correcting the wrongs done by previous owners and breeders,

You see I am ODD i spent most of my pre breeding life in rescue.
Not dog shows or competition I had a real life of what everyone sees in dogs.
I understand know that I breed i am NO longer entitled to a opinion based on my own eyes.
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Old 09-13-2009, 10:16 AM
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Driving home today and BAM long haired big boned GSD stunning .
But owner is letting dog LOOSE in a wooded lot so I did not stop wish I had the camera.
Have NOT seen a GSD like this in 10 years outside of PP club.

WOW. Almost went into ditch looking to the right explaining that to a cop would of been not fun.
Dan you have a very nice looking GSD.
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Gunner is the reason why I love GSD's. I had an opportunity to get a GSD pup (they werent really my thing) and then I came here and saw Gunner, and my decision was made. I think he was about 9-12 months at the time. How old is he now?

Love the "old school", lol.
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Loved the videos kenya has no slope at all either and shes quite small and I get asked if shes mixed all the time! lol Acamp atleast be happy lacey is the "right" color, people just CANNOT believe that GSDs do come in bicolor
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I know what you mean Fran...we have a little white GSD puppy that visits with Lacey when we pick the kids up from school. Everyone can pick out the black and tan GSD, but everyone asks that poor woman what kind of dog she has...while her pup is playing with Lacey. I mean, I picked it right out, she looks just like a smaller version of Lacey (she's about 10-12 weeks old) just white, lol.
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I've really enjoyed working with him, he's so willing to please and so even tempered. He'll never be a real man stopper like some of the dogs I've trained with but he's a pretty good dog.

Believe it or not, Gunnar is a little over 4 1/2 now! Even harder to believe, Daisy will be 3 in November!
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Omg I remember when you got Daisy! Have I really been here that long?
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Speaking of Daisy...we haven't seen any pics of her in a long time.
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Almost 5?? . I remember going through your posts looking at baby Gunner. I remember when you first got Daisy, seemed like yesturday . Time is flying by!! How's the pug monster??
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Bruzer is just fine, he's still a ball of energy. He turned 8 this summer!
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The video was based on the ORIGINAL BREED SUITABILITY Test for the German Shpherd as a WORKING dog NOT as a SPORT dog.
You will see improvements on todays dogs that some do not see as a improvement.

Schutzund was created for the GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG the dog came before the test..
Which is why other breeds that were created by different men or woman or by history are not or should not be judged or compared to it.

"One thing that should never be forgotten is the fact that “Schutzhund” did not originate as a sport. It was and is primarily a breed evaluation tool and became a sport as a consequence thereof. "

Comparing any breed other than other shepherds that are related to or are in the genetic makeup of the GSD to this test now sport is not logical.
Each breed needs to be rated just like HD with OFA or Pennhip within thier own breed to make judgement calls.
Within any sport you have profit money and competition.
This was NOT what the Captain wanted for the GSD.
None of his dogs competed for scores and tropheys resulting in fame and pups sales for the high in trial dogs stud dogs. Cause their was no high in trial.
They WORKED plain and simple and the ones not passing this test were NOT bred or WORKED.

The dogs needed to meet his requirements to WORK s Herding dogs, Police dogs, Army dogs.
"Anyone who is truthful will admit that the whole Sieger Show scene is dictated by “big bucks” or as we call it “money”. A “VA” title is a license to print money , and if the guy in Asia likes his dogs big and light coloured then no doubt the breeders will only be too happy to breed this type of dog for him. Cynical? Yes I am, because it is this greed that is the cause of the deterioration of the German Shepherd as a working breed"

The quotes are from a famous GSD person.
The common quote is re the GSD is it is a WORKING dog-not guardian dog.
Listing REAL jobs which they function fulltime as a working dog which works for modern man who created them. The GSD vast list is NOT tricks but accomplished tasks they perform better than any other breed )exc mals). Why cause the Capt in visioned a breed that work at all jobs tracking S a R police work etc. So he created the perfect breed for work.

Compared to the list of what a guardian dog can excell at is limited very specific including family guardian. What they can do is long but takes them out as all rounders and puts them into specialists. People who go with the flow dont like the ones who break from the norm.

EX:A S and Rescue Cadavor dog FILA was ripped to shreads online when the news story hit that the Fila found a dead boy his parents were desparate to find who drowned.
The Fila had to be in a row boat with police and a dive team and owner. The Fila crowd back then were angry the Fila was near strangers and not "being faithfull but not acting defensive. The tracking GSD group got defensive a NON "working dog" was working.

Where I was ticked pink the Fila showed its versaltity.
I dont see myself as a Molosser lover but a dog lover.

Every person has a match in a counter part human sexes dont matter love matters.
Every dog lover or cat lover has a PERFECT match for them
If more researched the breeds that attract us on the outside.
Before we buy or adopt we would have much less rescues.

Any work ,trial, trick or game -a human takes the time to teach or play wth their dogs make them better dogs. And we should join forces as good pet owners and be happy for them . Vs judging or comparing each other..
Here ya go..

And Yes, Alot of GSD's are not what they SHOULD be... Especially alot of rescues. But who knows where they came from. Some might be 100 percent true to their original breed. Thats why people should speand time with the dog they want before adopting. You might get a GSD with the personality of a lab. But you can also get a lab with the personality of a GSD (Ive seen it many times here. Labs are rediculously over bred here) .

When I get MY german shepherd I will Probably be getting one from a breeder here who's dogs do well both in show And in the wroking world. His dogs may not look llike the ones in that video. But they are Dman well capable of everything they did.. Im gonna do Shutzhund, but the way I want to do it, not how the shutz club wants it done.

But I am sure many CAS dogs are Hyper beyond hyper, Display behaviours that a CAS dog SHOULDNT display, These are the poorly bred ones with dumbass owners, just like in the GSD world. Poorly bred with dumbass owners. And when I say Poorly bred I do Mean the Ones That are huge show winners but wouldnt be able to chase down a threat If one bit him in the as$.
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Old 09-13-2009, 10:31 AM
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Links GSD then and now in looks. below no comments from me

past to present in the german shepherd

Working line German Shepherds

German shepherds of working German lines, those with little or no show lines still seem Having seen hundreds of so-called "problem dogs," . very normal and old fashioned in appearence, temperament of these dogs is probably high energy and more aggressive then old line shepherds but with the right control they are probably more stable then the show lines in many ways .....These are the dogs that are police dogs... breeders of these dogs in my opinion are doing a good job of breeding dogs that can be used by law enforcement and other agencies.... My dogs being bred for the family in most cases would be to "soft" to make a good police dog...
I have come to believe the higher energy the individual the shorter the lifespan . but that is just my thoery. I feel a nervous,hyper or high energy shepherd may burn out quicker.

Having seen hundreds of so-called "problem dogs," LaTour, an obedience instructor, now requires adopting parties agree to attend obedience classes with the animal immediately.

germanshepherds.com "To The Rescue," by Ranny Green
German Shepherd rescue groups overcome apathy, ignorance and volunteer burnout.
The number of German Shepherds in need of homes is astonishing and heartwrenching.
Labeled by its boosters as noble, versatile, intelligent and loyal, the German Shepherd Dog would figure to be the quintessential All-American pet

Emotional chaos and headstrong exuberance, for starters, has produced heartbreaking chronicles of human error and misjudgment in growing numbers. The result: This proud breed has undergone a character assassination due to mass production and overwhelmed owners who've been on a psycho-voyage for months, sometimes years, attempting to maintain an alpha position within the households.

Potentially, they can become your best friend, protector and playmate," she adds. "Whether it's herding, agility or simply going for a walk, owning a shepherd is fulfilling and therapeutic. They're very smart dogs. In fact, sometimes they're a step ahead of the owners."

What she's seeing-a steady change in the social underpinnings of the breed- doesn't bode well, however. More and more dogs that are relinquished in the Seattle area are of German or Eastern European stock, for which the owners have paid hundreds of dollars. "They're gorgeous, robust animals but they come from a working background," says La Tour. "That means future owners must make a commitment to get these animals involved in agility, tracking, herding or Schutzhund."

But how many Americans are willing to make time for that? Most want to come home, pet the dog a few times, maybe throw the ball for it in the backyard and call it a day. These animals need more. "If we can't match them with active owners, we run a high risk of a mismatch, and they end up right back in the shelter or with us," says La Tour.
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Wow you dont get it do u?
I was trying to keep GSD comments on the GSD thread , even thou they were asked and on going on the CAS thread. Which is why I created the thread not to talk how old your GSD is.
You proved I comment about the TOPIC the video!!
I did not respond to age comments as u can READ!!
I did respond without quoting dans commentary on the VIDEO the topic at hand was NOT how old your GSD was it was the VIDEO! which low and behold I tried to stay on topic.

I did this after dan and GSD lover came to my CAS thread and hijacted it for for GSD
When I wrote was the CAS doing more then one trick.

http://www.chazhound.com/forums/t104914/
When I ignored her on guardian breeds she trolled over to CAS demanded I answer her ?

"And I got accused of being defensive and taking it personal . You still havent answered my one and only question, that brought out your "protective" side. HOW DO YOU TAKE A DOG WITH NO PROTECTIVE INSTICTS AND TRAIN THEM TO PROTECT? "
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Ok what truth ? You got it

For every GOOD GSD the ONE you own or the few Dan owned their are 1000 fear biter insane GSDS out there. You want the public to beleive most GSDS are like yours

THEY ARE NOT.
I think this. IMO is wrong







Do gsds have fear biters and dogs with problems? yes. due to BAD BREEDERS. but ya, take a look at the good GSD breeders out there.
and hell, even take a LOOK at MY rescue dog. probably from a shitty breeder. she helped me raise a litter of orphaned puppies, shes kind and sweet and trainable and does agility.

one for every 1000? I think thats a stretch. to say that all the GSDs that are search and rescue, guide dogs, police dogs and so much more are 1 in 1000 of a breed I think is wrong.

these 2 threads have basically become this:


NO THIS BREED IS BETTER
NO THIS
WELL GSDs SUCK
NO THEY DONT
YA THEY DO
MY BREED IS AWESOMER


. Its like you don't like GSDs, but more than that, you don't like the credit they get for being the star DO IT ALL dogs. just my opinion

It feels like your trying to SELL your breed to us. like you want to PROVE that is better stronger faster or w/e than a GSD. im sorry if thats not what your trying to say but that sure is how its coming off to me
Ive never even HEARD of your breed before pretty recently, and I think you should be happy enough about that. its great that your proud of your breed, thats awesome.
but I dont see why you are trying so hard to prove to us that they are BETTER than any other breed.
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Fran.

You are exactly right.
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