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Old 09-09-2009, 02:13 PM
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I've really enjoyed working with him, he's so willing to please and so even tempered. He'll never be a real man stopper like some of the dogs I've trained with but he's a pretty good dog.

Believe it or not, Gunnar is a little over 4 1/2 now! Even harder to believe, Daisy will be 3 in November!
Omg I remember when you got Daisy! Have I really been here that long?
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Old 09-09-2009, 02:25 PM
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Speaking of Daisy...we haven't seen any pics of her in a long time.
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Old 09-09-2009, 03:13 PM
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Almost 5?? . I remember going through your posts looking at baby Gunner. I remember when you first got Daisy, seemed like yesturday . Time is flying by!! How's the pug monster??
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Old 09-09-2009, 06:07 PM
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Bruzer is just fine, he's still a ball of energy. He turned 8 this summer!
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Old 09-11-2009, 03:29 PM
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The video was based on the ORIGINAL BREED SUITABILITY Test for the German Shpherd as a WORKING dog NOT as a SPORT dog.
You will see improvements on todays dogs that some do not see as a improvement.

Schutzund was created for the GERMAN SHEPHERD DOG the dog came before the test..
Which is why other breeds that were created by different men or woman or by history are not or should not be judged or compared to it.

"One thing that should never be forgotten is the fact that “Schutzhund” did not originate as a sport. It was and is primarily a breed evaluation tool and became a sport as a consequence thereof. "

Comparing any breed other than other shepherds that are related to or are in the genetic makeup of the GSD to this test now sport is not logical.
Each breed needs to be rated just like HD with OFA or Pennhip within thier own breed to make judgement calls.
Within any sport you have profit money and competition.
This was NOT what the Captain wanted for the GSD.
None of his dogs competed for scores and tropheys resulting in fame and pups sales for the high in trial dogs stud dogs. Cause their was no high in trial.
They WORKED plain and simple and the ones not passing this test were NOT bred or WORKED.

The dogs needed to meet his requirements to WORK s Herding dogs, Police dogs, Army dogs.
"Anyone who is truthful will admit that the whole Sieger Show scene is dictated by “big bucks” or as we call it “money”. A “VA” title is a license to print money , and if the guy in Asia likes his dogs big and light coloured then no doubt the breeders will only be too happy to breed this type of dog for him. Cynical? Yes I am, because it is this greed that is the cause of the deterioration of the German Shepherd as a working breed"

The quotes are from a famous GSD person.
The common quote is re the GSD is it is a WORKING dog-not guardian dog.
Listing REAL jobs which they function fulltime as a working dog which works for modern man who created them. The GSD vast list is NOT tricks but accomplished tasks they perform better than any other breed )exc mals). Why cause the Capt in visioned a breed that work at all jobs tracking S a R police work etc. So he created the perfect breed for work.

Compared to the list of what a guardian dog can excell at is limited very specific including family guardian. What they can do is long but takes them out as all rounders and puts them into specialists. People who go with the flow dont like the ones who break from the norm.

EX:A S and Rescue Cadavor dog FILA was ripped to shreads online when the news story hit that the Fila found a dead boy his parents were desparate to find who drowned.
The Fila had to be in a row boat with police and a dive team and owner. The Fila crowd back then were angry the Fila was near strangers and not "being faithfull but not acting defensive. The tracking GSD group got defensive a NON "working dog" was working.

Where I was ticked pink the Fila showed its versaltity.
I dont see myself as a Molosser lover but a dog lover.

Every person has a match in a counter part human sexes dont matter love matters.
Every dog lover or cat lover has a PERFECT match for them
If more researched the breeds that attract us on the outside.
Before we buy or adopt we would have much less rescues.

Any work ,trial, trick or game -a human takes the time to teach or play wth their dogs make them better dogs. And we should join forces as good pet owners and be happy for them . Vs judging or comparing each other..
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Old 09-11-2009, 09:42 PM
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blah blah blah blah. From ANY perspective, dogs that hand bite are showing avoidance to the bite. If hand biting was acceptable back then, then all they show is that their standards were not as high as people thought they were. I don't disagree that breed standards are watered down now due to those with the $$ calling the shots. The lower jumps and the A frame replacing the wall show that. But anyone I know who does bite work would be hard pressed to call most of the bites in those videos good.

To compare, look at this dog- a random dog I found on a YouTube search. I know nothing about the dog at all- but these bites are what most people who do protection type training consider good bites. No avoidance, hitting high and targeting center mass. No releasing the bite- once the dog is on, he's on until called off or the suit jacket is slipped.

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Old 09-11-2009, 09:55 PM
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Dan is seems you have very limited exposure to breeds outside of your own.
Which makes it impossible to have any form of intelligent talk/

Difference is I own GSD for more years than CASD. I had a REAL job working with them as a k 9 partner mY LIFE was in their hands. I have rescued more GSD than you will own.

Yet you have NEVER owned worked or seen the CAS breed .
which BTU is not the same a Dimitris dog.
Yet you post WRONG info to elevate YOU not your breed over mine.

I posted FACTS about the GSD.
Your sport evolved from a test into a sport FOR the GSD.
The fact that you dont know the difference is sad .

PS real bad guys dont wear suits when they break in.
Anyone you want to take a hit from 187 Saber or 140 BOBO without a sleeve BE my guesT
THE DOOR IS OPEN for you.

Difference is bad guy under my porch does not get to stay why my dog runs away with a sleeve. Bad guys are not allowed on property let alone reward the dog with a sleeve and goes about robbing me blind.
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Comparing a GSD to a CO (like Dmitri's dog) or a CAO (PM's and Pitbullpony's) isn't really relevant. They're different breeds bred for different reasons. There's some almost overlap for some purposes, if you stretch the definitions a long way, but it's not a fair comparison to either breed and bound to spawn a great deal if misunderstanding and information that's going to be interpreted wrongly, to the detriment of all, and bring people looking for dogs for the wrong sorts of reasons to both the Ovcharka door and the GSD door.

GSDs, depending on the lines, can be so competent at so many tasks. For many years, I never thought I wanted to be without at least one GSD or GSD/X (with a similar type, like Akita or Bimmer), and it wasn't until I fell for Filas that I ever considered a future without one.

It's unfair to the GSD -- and maybe part of why the breed has gotten to the state it's in -- to try to make it what it isn't. Like the APBT, perhaps first and foremost, a good GSD, an old fashioned GSD, is a superb FAMILY dog.
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I'd like to join the debate, but i'm not quite sure where this is going

or why it's headed that way?
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Old 09-12-2009, 07:40 AM
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Dan is seems you have very limited exposure to breeds outside of your own.
Which makes it impossible to have any form of intelligent talk/

Difference is I own GSD for more years than CASD. I had a REAL job working with them as a k 9 partner mY LIFE was in their hands. I have rescued more GSD than you will own.

Yet you have NEVER owned worked or seen the CAS breed .
which BTU is not the same a Dimitris dog.
Yet you post WRONG info to elevate YOU not your breed over mine.

I posted FACTS about the GSD.
Your sport evolved from a test into a sport FOR the GSD.
The fact that you dont know the difference is sad .

PS real bad guys dont wear suits when they break in.
Anyone you want to take a hit from 187 Saber or 140 BOBO without a sleeve BE my guesT
THE DOOR IS OPEN for you.

Difference is bad guy under my porch does not get to stay why my dog runs away with a sleeve. Bad guys are not allowed on property let alone reward the dog with a sleeve and goes about robbing me blind.
I realize what the sport evolved from, and thank you for questioning my intelligence. Way to debate- you don't like what you hear so you start insulting. I'm not talking about a sport- I'm talking about what is perceived as good bites in those videos- if you think those bites on the end of the hand were good, and if you think the bites that one LDG was doing where he kept coming off the sleeve were good, then you don't know what you are talking about. If you think that a good GSD will run off with a sleeve and let a bad guy rob you blind or hurt you, then you really don't get it and never will.

What wrong info did I post? What did I do to elevate myself? Nothing. I simply stated that I thought the bite work in those old videos was not good, and posted an example of what I thought was good bitework. In the other thread I posted that I thought the protection videos you linked with your breed of dog in them were not good. That is not wrong info and it isn't elevating myself. I'm only posting alternatives to what you posted.

I don't know why you think that GSD's are nothing but sleeve happy dogs and that once they win the sleeve they don't care what happens around them. You may have been around a lot of GSD's in your life but they must not have been very good ones if that is what you believe. There are many many man stopper type GSDs out there who don't give a rat's behind about the sleeve and want nothing better than to take it to the man. When you are working muzzle fighting, hidden sleeves, and full suits, that is about as far away from sleeve happy sport dogs as you can get.
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