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Old 09-05-2009, 11:35 AM
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Based on that criteria, I would really look more at Aussies. I lived in a shady apartment for awhile and was very glad I had Sawyer around. He would bark if someone paused outside my door and when we were outside walking and someone came up to me, he would put himself between me and the other person and just sort of staaaaaaare. It freaked out a lot of people. The one time some drunk friend thought it would be funny to run up to me yelling 'Booga booga booga!!!" got charged by a barking Sawyer. Ever seen someone literally fall over themselves trying to stop? It's funny.
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Old 09-05-2009, 11:59 AM
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I would recomend GSD's.

Kacee is a GSDxlab With a lab personality, likes to greet everybody. I Had her up in my yard and my bro came out and started doing that older brother anoying wrestly thing. And I started to scream because he was driving me nuts and I wanted him to stop it.

Kacee didnt like it. She thought he was hurting me (he kinda was) and she came over and Jumped up on him and growled but when he wouldnt let go she grabbed his arm with her mouth and started to pull him off. But the weird thing is she wasnt being rough about it and didnt really hurt my bro. I thought It was kinda cool.. I have no doubt in my mind that, that was the GSD coming out of her.

She is very protective over not only me, But keely too. She scared off a coyote that was Getting very close to us when we were on a feild by ourselves. Scared the sh*t out of me.

And She also fought off a Husky that went after keely.

My sweet little Dog that loves everybody and everything, Has a switch. And I feel safe with her. She's almost 10 years old and Pwned That huskey that went after keely, and the husky is bigger then her. :P
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Old 09-05-2009, 12:00 PM
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Presa are shown in the UKC Guardian group and FCI Molosser.
They are a all purpose general farm dog that will guard and was originally bred to move cattle of Spanish Ships and guard the farms they were used in.
You will see them doing PP work - agility- racing- obedience.

They are NOT the monsters that were portrayed on the whipple case.
But they are not family dogs. They can be a family dog to someone who wants this type of guard dog. Ive shown a few and not one bonded with me no matter the time I spent with them. They seem closer to the Fila in regards to devotion to the family.

Different than my CASD who extend beyond immediate family.
Thanks for the info. Very interesting!
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Old 09-05-2009, 10:37 PM
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I would say a GSD or Rottie. A dog known for being agressive in the public eye. Thats your best line of defense right there. People will more and likely pick a better target than to confront your "police dog". Fear is a HUGE motivator. LGD's look like fluffy teddy bears (most at least) and IMO can give off the wrong impression. And once the threat is close enough to realize fluffy aint so sweet it would be too late for any other option but to let the dog confront him and pray the dog doesnt get killed. You want to avoid a confrontation at all cost (because so many variables can play in to what the outcome will be) and I feel you have a better chance scaring people off with a more popular known guard dog.

BTW GSD's (or at least the good ones, bred to standard) dont nip BECAUSE of their prey drive. Prey drive entices calm full grips, defense based dogs use front teeth and bite release and re bite.
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Old 09-05-2009, 10:41 PM
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Presa are shown in the UKC Guardian group and FCI Molosser.
They are a all purpose general farm dog that will guard and was originally bred to move cattle of Spanish Ships and guard the farms they were used in.
You will see them doing PP work - agility- racing- obedience.

They are NOT the monsters that were portrayed on the whipple case.
But they are not family dogs. They can be a family dog to someone who wants this type of guard dog. Ive shown a few and not one bonded with me no matter the time I spent with them. They seem closer to the Fila in regards to devotion to the family.

Different than my CASD who extend beyond immediate family.
For the record, those weren't full Presas in the Whipple case. They were mixes, bred and raised for extreme aggression.
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Old 09-06-2009, 10:21 AM
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Yes I know the pedigrees but the were reg as pure Presa with some mastiff blood behind them. Sadly the damage was done.

RE to GSDS Ive been bitten by failed police dog, ive worked with several k9 partner. Hosted a PP trail and spent many a weekend with GSDs at PP club.
GSD are NOT born with knowledge of full grips they are trained via tools- run after tug toe and to stay on toy with tugging- then puppy sleeve then full sleeve. They do naturally play tug but are not full front and back teeth bites at birth either.

GSDS used as HERDING dogs have their fangs FILED down due to the damage they cause when they NATURALLY Nip the sheep from behind. They were/ are a herding breed not a bite force police breed. Can u inagine they gripped ever sheep with a full bite? NO mre sheep.

Defense dogs as a general rue dont use front teeth , they do re grip but anytime you want to take a bite which is NEVER a full in your throat fiting grip due to natural self preservation in working breeds that protect better than trained dogs in real life.

Self preservation means holding on to ONE arm allows the bear or the bad guy to shoot dog the dog knick the dog or take off its head.

Loose dog defense bad man. DOg charges and bluffs - putting a display worse than any chase a herding dog can do. Then they knck bad guy down to their level with a tooth butt, giving hem a chance to back off. Bad guy wont. Then they bite thrassh back and fouth with heads the size of bears and hooked teeth much bigger than most, backed up with a body of a Molosser in this case of 140-Plus pounds some 170.
Much harder to take a shot when you are knocked down and are getting redirect bites. Plus when you test a defense dog VS train a herding dog.
They know the sleeve is fake, they redirect cause the bad guy is staying there and they look for a spot that makes them go away. They are learned thru trips to PP guy that the sleeve is all they get and they settle for it.
1st time defense dogs generally jump over the sleeve and go for shoulder.
Defense dogs also are NOT hyped up before after or during PP work.
They turn off asap as threat is gone. They rarely cary sleeve off field since this not NOT a game. They dont want the reward of the toy hense sleeve they want the bad guy to STOP being bad.
Which is why some guardians are naturally protection dogs vs trained.



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Since I dont want to leave false impression that they are monsters
This is same dog in Petco very social only defeneive when needs to be
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Old 09-06-2009, 11:27 AM
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Izzy, I've been raised with Border Collies my whole life. All the dogs I can remember will brk when something's up. Shye does a fantastic job (to the annoyance of my neighbors) of letting me know when anything is going on that he can hear but can't see to verify that it is "ok" activity. He's amazingly alert. All of my mom's dogs would let you know there was someone on the property and that the someone isn't known...

My limited experience with Aussies is that they tend to be more vocal for the sake of being vocal. Ransom in particular, makes noise just to hear himself make noise. Azure on the other hand, rarely says anything ever. He barks a bit when he needs out otherwise I never hear a peep out of that dog.
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Old 09-06-2009, 11:43 AM
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Planet Molosser, can I tell you how much I love and enjoy your posts? You and Renee are two of the people that have truly opened my eyes to guardian breeds and really instilled in me a deep respect for them. I love reading and learning about these dogs and I would LOVE to meet soem such as yours one day. Maybe if I am lucky in life...........


(btw....just where IS my Kharma pup? "Anarchy Drools" is waiting for me...I know it!" )
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Old 09-06-2009, 11:54 AM
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Thanks you -Ive learned allot here as well.
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Kacee was never trained, Yet she used her full mouth for the grip.
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