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Old 08-30-2005, 09:33 AM
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If they ban The GSD I will be moving I dont care if I have to move to timbucktoo lol.When we buy a bigger place I will be buying a Tosa Inu so they better not ban those either.Stupid goverment dont they realise it is just stupid punk kids and drug dealers that are causing these dogs to be like this.Ban the stupid owners of any dog that bites from ever owning another and that would help alot more than BSL.I am so mad about this I could scream.

Start screaming at the politicians. Make a diiference if we all band together they will hear us; won't change anything but it is our right to protest.
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Old 08-30-2005, 09:34 AM
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I knew that I just meant after the stink I have been causing here in Ontario, I just may go to hell but it will be worth it in the end if I can make just a speck of difference.

lol... ok good.
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Old 08-30-2005, 09:49 AM
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Oh, and start finding out which vets are price gouging on spay and neuter for Pits - call and ask for the price on a breed of similar size and weight, then call back later and ask about the price for a Pit - and start circulating lists with the results of the phone calls. Make sure you document those calls; ask who you are speaking to, write down the time of the phone call, the breed you asked about, etc. Don't editorialize, just put down the hard facts.

That has been started today by several of us. To neuter a 6 month old shepherd like Yukon $175, to neuter a 6 month old pit bull same place $600. Hmm. We are going to go and get estimates in writing so we can publish them. One going in and asking about the shepherd, one asking about the pit bull, and one asking about a lab. Getting it in writing and going to have the newspapers around publish it. Also have the local tv station is very interested in our results. They have agreed to report it on the news and run their own investigation if we can get some proof.
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Old 08-30-2005, 09:50 AM
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Old 08-30-2005, 09:54 AM
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Did you see how much pm martin spent on his 2 day trip to washington.It was approx $418 000,they could have used that money to creat a better system for dogs that bite.Hire more OSPCA officers to be able to get these dangerous dogs away from these crappy owners and ban them from ever having another.No way spend money on dogs they would rather blow it on needless crap.I dont like pitbulls but dont agree with any of this crap.I have a friend with 3 2 are good dogs one has a crappy temperment caused by in breeding of its parents.I wonder how many Pits and pit crosses the humane society here has now.
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Old 08-30-2005, 10:05 AM
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Normally I feel bad when I post things that start hornets nests but in this case it is good. The more people who disagree with this and do something to change the better. For anyone who agrees with the ban I am sorry for offending you but I want to get all the help I can to try and make a difference here.
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Old 08-30-2005, 10:06 AM
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It's the provincial government that pushed this piece of idiocy through, not the federal. And yes, it was very much media fueled. Why is it when a Pit Bull bites it's front page, "Pit Bull Attack"? Sells papers and it's the bandwagon du jour. "Chihuahua Attack" just doesn't have the same (forgive the pun) bite to it. Ok, so it's an extreme example, Chihuahua's bites aren't usually lethal. Yes, I know it's a terrible thing that attacks happen at all, but, with any breed, it's the owners who are responsible. And it's not just drug dealers and punk kids, add Neanderthal throwbacks of the "Me big tough, me have big tough dog. Big tough doggy with big tough bark..." club. They really probably aren't all that bothered by this legislation, Rotties are still legal after all.

Btw, also, your average Joe did not get a vote on this, our elected representatives did, and supposedly voted in our best interests. Voting for a breed ban is SO much safer for their careers, isn't it? I've already signed many petitions, and will sign many more, but it's probably not worth the paper it's written on. No politician is going to be the one to stand up and disagree with a breed ban. All it would take is for one irresponsible Pit Bull owner to lose control of his/her dog and the fingers would be pointing at not the owner, but the politician who went against the ban. Career suicide and they know it.

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Oh, and might I also suggest that there might be quite a black market developing in 'papers' for all sorts of Staffordshire Terriers, etc.
I agree, but it won't be too widespread. They're not just banning Pit Bulls, they're banning anything that LOOKS like a Pit Bull. Anyone who owns one will have to raise it in a pretty isolated environment. Which, in turn, because of the inherent irresponsibility and lack of accountability, will probably make for a less socialized, more dangerous breed of dog.

Ack, sorry for the long-winded post, but this just bothers me on so many levels. Legislation isn't the problem, simplistic thinking, over legislation and taking the path of least resistance by politicians and the media is the problem. Whatever happened to education as a solution?

Btw, the days of "Independent News" is gone. So something reported with a definite slant in Toronto is given the same slant throughout Ontario, regardless of the demographics. Designer news. A Pit Bull attack is usually front page, today the ban is page two, tomorrow it'll probably be back page amongst the classifieds.
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Old 08-30-2005, 10:10 AM
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It's the provincial government that pushed this piece of idiocy through, not the federal. And yes, it was very much media fueled. Why is it when a Pit Bull bites it's front page, "Pit Bull Attack"? Sells papers and it's the bandwagon du jour. "Chihuahua Attack" just doesn't have the same (forgive the pun) bite to it. Ok, so it's an extreme example, Chihuahua's bites aren't usually lethal. Yes, I know it's a terrible thing that attacks happen at all, but, with any breed, it's the owners who are responsible. And it's not just drug dealers and punk kids, add Neanderthal throwbacks of the "Me big tough, me have big tough dog. Big tough doggy with big tough bark..." club. They really probably aren't all that bothered by this legislation, Rotties are still legal after all.

Btw, also, your average Joe did not get a vote on this, our elected representatives did, and supposedly voted in our best interests. Voting for a breed ban is SO much safer for their careers, isn't it? I've already signed many petitions, and will sign many more, but it's probably not worth the paper it's written on. No politician is going to be the one to stand up and disagree with a breed ban. All it would take is for one irresponsible Pit Bull owner to lose control of his/her dog and the fingers would be pointing at not the owner, but the politician who went against the ban. Career suicide and they know it.



I agree, but it won't be too widespread. They're not just banning Pit Bulls, they're banning anything that LOOKS like a Pit Bull. Anyone who owns one will have to raise it in a pretty isolated environment. Which, in turn, because of the inherent irresponsibility and lack of accountability, will probably make for a less socialized, more dangerous breed of dog.

Ack, sorry for the long-winded post, but this just bothers me on so many levels. Legislation isn't the problem, simplistic thinking, over legislation and taking the path of least resistance by politicians and the media is the problem. Whatever happened to education as a solution?

Btw, the days of "Independent News" is gone. So something reported with a definite slant in Toronto is given the same slant throughout Ontario, regardless of the demographics. Designer news. A Pit Bull attack is usually front page, today the ban is page two, tomorrow it'll probably be back page amongst the classifieds.

So true so true and nothing else can be said because you said it all and you have made perfect sense. Can't even argue with you because you have stated the facts. Thank you for signing petition and keep up the good work, we need all the help we can get.
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Old 08-30-2005, 10:15 AM
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Yes very true,now the pitbull owners I know dont even want to take their pits for a walk because of how some people say get that pitbull away from me.These dogs are going to get alot worse,muzzles sometimes make normal dogs more aggressive.They cant see the bigger problems that this ban will cost.I can see this ban going Canada wide and that really pisses me off.
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Old 08-30-2005, 10:29 AM
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Yes very true,now the pitbull owners I know dont even want to take their pits for a walk because of how some people say get that pitbull away from me.These dogs are going to get alot worse,muzzles sometimes make normal dogs more aggressive.They cant see the bigger problems that this ban will cost.I can see this ban going Canada wide and that really pisses me off.
Already done in Winnipeg, I believe the last known pit bull just died there. Of course they say it has worked because there have been no pit bull bites....well doh what do ya think. If there are no pit bulls there will be no bites but hey the bite numbers in general have gone down by about 2-3 a year. HMMM worked well didn't it?
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