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Old 08-21-2009, 03:56 PM
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I am a breeder and I love when a future owner tries to get to know me and how I raise and treat my dogs. I will not let anyone have a pup from me who is not full of questions. One line emails or one sentence phone messages are a nono I want to know my pups are going to a good home and I want to know that they will contact me with any problems the dog has. I love to get pics often too . I do not, however, like emails everyday. That gets very annoying. I am also on the new owner side of this. I am buying a new puppy in a few months from the same breeder I got my Gracie from. She emails me with news, and I email her with questions. That's the way most breeders prefer it. If you email or call a breeder and they do not get back to you within a week, that's not a good breeder (Unless they have a good excuse of course). They do not care.
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Old 08-21-2009, 03:59 PM
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LMPOO: First off, it is unethical to breed mixed breeed dogs.. Period.. There are enouogh MIXED BREED (which is what a "cockapoo" is, a mixed breed dog)dogs dying in shelters without you supplying more.. JMO.

And second. Vets know NOTHING about food, unless they research it on there own.. They push crap food to make *Gasp* Money!

Royal canin wouldnt even come into my home.. I warn you, I know people who's pets are Dying of kidney failure bcause of tainted royal canin.

And Fran, to the original question. I have an amazing relationship with keely's breeder. She is a very friendly person and always checks in on her puppies... She is JUST like me. even our odg situiations as children were the same! :P.. Its scary sometimes how much alike we are.
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Old 08-21-2009, 04:04 PM
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On the mixed breed issue. I am against it. Each breed has genetic health problems (unless a breeder is careful and does testing... most don't)... when you mix two, you get the health problems from both sides.. so you have double the risk of having a sick dog later in life.
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Old 08-21-2009, 04:05 PM
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I think my relationship with Shippo's breeder is very important. I like her as a breeder and as a person (although some of her ideas about training and medical I tend to disagree with but I can overlook those). She's always been supportive and is always there to this day, more than 3 years later, to answer any questions I might have. I send her updates and she passes them on to all of Shippo's litter-mates' owners, and she passes on any of their updates to me.

She does health testing and finishes all her dogs before breeding them, and offers a solid health guarantee and contract. I fully plan on getting a show dog from her in a couple years. She just got a gorgeous imported, tailed pembroke bitch that she is showing right now - can't wait to see pups from her in a few years!

Quite honestly, I can't see myself getting a corgi from anyone else.
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Old 08-21-2009, 04:16 PM
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LMPOO: First off, it is unethical to breed mixed breeed dogs.. Period.. There are enouogh MIXED BREED (which is what a "cockapoo" is, a mixed breed dog)dogs dying in shelters without you supplying more.. JMO.
I disagree. Now mind you I haven't looked at the breeder in question's site or health guarantee but I believe it's perfectly possible to responsibly breed mixed breeds be it for companion, working, or sport purposes. All are important reasons to breed dogs. Just judge the breeder by the same standards you would a pure bred breeder. If they just throw a cocker with a poodle then no, they're not responsible but if they do all their health tests, genetic tests, stand by the dogs they produce, are HONEST about what they're producing then how are they any better or worse? Just different...

There are purebreds dying in shelters too. They are not generally coming from responsible breeders so I'd assume the same was for crossbreds.

But I've been through this many times and have actually changed my opinion lately.
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Old 08-21-2009, 04:17 PM
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Auggie's breeder recommends a good food, but her husband's degree is in animal nutrition... so I guess that's sort of cheating. X3

We have a great relationship. We're very similar people so that helps. She has never minded when I call her with some hysterical question and she has always been happy to help me out, even when it was "How exactly do you take a rectal temperature???"
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Old 08-21-2009, 04:40 PM
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I like Steve's breeder very much, as a "dog person" and as just a person. I don't expect we'll be BFFs, but I don't think I'd buy a puppy from someone I didn't like. There's too much riding on that relationship, imo. I want somebody I trust and can turn to should an issue arise, somebody I feel comfortable with.

I don't have a problem with purpose-bred mixes. I do have a problem with lousy breeding, and sorry, but that's the impression I get from the cockapoo site (not to mention being classified as a class four kennel- that's a lot of puppies). And IMO, anyone who says they've never had a genetic issue in one of their puppies in nine years is either not looking, not asking, or lying. Genetic issues happen even to excellent breeders. One of the things I appreciated about my emails back and forth with Steve's breeder before I bought him was that when I asked about seizures in her lines she said yes, there was one dog who seizured (distant relative to Stevie) and that yes, Steve's grandpa did sire a severely dysplastic puppy. But as he's sired mostly sound puppies, I'm willing to take the risk of that one puppy.
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Thanks vmills for the kind referral.

At the beginning of this year I had a customer whom purchased a puppy over two years ago send me a very sad email that their dog had died (the dog did not die due to any genetic or hereditary illness). Very sad time for them. I called them to give my condolences and to offer them another puppy. His first reply was, we do not have enough money at this time but do want to get another from you in the future. I replied no I want to give one for free. I am not heartless and care very much about my puppies and their new family.
... Its a VERY nice thing for you to do, but if they couldn't afford the BASIC price for a puppy, are you sure they could afford the cost of maintaining a puppy? (food, vet care, toys, etc..)
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Old 08-21-2009, 05:05 PM
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Fran, it seems as though your thread has been hijacked. I don't know you, or your experience level, so if I sound redundant then please forgive me. You seem like you're pretty on track with what you're willing to tolerate from a breeder and mentor.

Things with breeders and mentors are not black and white. Trust your instincts and you'll find someone good for you, whether or not they are the breeder of your puppy.

While at risk for sounding didactic, I just would like to give a little warning to any newbie reading this thread on WHO you choose to mentor you. My suggestion would be to make sure that they are in good standing with their peers, and that they're just not breeding dogs in a vacuum.

Also, no one here is trying to villianize back yard breeders in a personal sense. No one is making a character call. However, being "nice" and being and "excellent breeder" are not synonymous, and that is important to differentiate.
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Old 08-21-2009, 05:10 PM
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I don't have a problem with purpose-bred mixes. I do have a problem with lousy breeding, and sorry, but that's the impression I get from the cockapoo site (not to mention being classified as a class four kennel- that's a lot of puppies). And IMO, anyone who says they've never had a genetic issue in one of their puppies in nine years is either not looking, not asking, or lying. Genetic issues happen even to excellent breeders. One of the things I appreciated about my emails back and forth with Steve's breeder before I bought him was that when I asked about seizures in her lines she said yes, there was one dog who seizured (distant relative to Stevie) and that yes, Steve's grandpa did sire a severely dysplastic puppy. But as he's sired mostly sound puppies, I'm willing to take the risk of that one puppy.
Oh I don't disagree with you, I just felt like addressing that one point that mixed breeding is what makes a breeder bad, because imo it's not. I also agree it's important for breeders to be honest about what they produce. My breeder and I have both been screwed over by dishonesty and that's the only reason we lost Hiro so early.

Sorry for the hijack earlier.

Anyways since I know some people preach against it I'll also add I actually found Mia online through her breeder's website. I know you should be cautious doing so but I had met several of her dogs at shows, knew she was a member of the national breed club, knew people with her dogs, and could look up her records, etc. I talked quite extensively to her via email and asked questions of each other. I did travel to her house to pick Mia up but prior to that had never met her or seen Mia other than pictures. If you go that route just make sure you get good references and if you go pick up your pup make sure everything about it feels right. If not, walk away. I would never have bought from a breeder I had never heard of via the internet.
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