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Old 08-21-2009, 10:07 AM
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Just curious

whats your relationship with them like?

how important do you think your relationship is?

would you buy a dog you like from a breeder you don't really "click" with?
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Old 08-21-2009, 10:40 AM
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Here is my take...

I would go with the bloodline I wanted, then worry about the relationship later. Besides, if you're in the position that I WAS in, my breeder would have been almost 6 hours a way. My true mentors would have been in the local Sammy breed club anyway, and I did click with them.

They're a fantastic group.

A breeder doesn't HAVE to be a mentor, IMHO.

I know that some of the best information that I've gotten has been from people who live across the continent from me through an email correspondance.

I'm sure that if you're actually going to breed, this may be altered abit.
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Old 08-21-2009, 11:09 AM
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Default Two Dogs - Two Totally Different Breeders

Breeder #1 (Alvin, 6+ months) from Missouri did not reply to a message that the pup she just sent me was scratching a lot. This is not a breeder I would recommend. Interaction was okay during the purchase but a little support would help once I had the dog.

Breeder #2 (Simon, 11 weeks) from Lilly, PA is informative, helpful, and supportive. We are still emailing because she appreciates news about the pup. Her dogs are well-cared for and people-friendly.

These relationships are extremely important to the pupppy's welfare. The 2 breeders are totally different in their approach to dog breeding and IT SHOWS.
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Old 08-21-2009, 11:42 AM
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vmills, I don't want to burst your bubble...but while your #2 breeder may be a lovely woman, her health guarantee policy is pretty crummy. A one year genetic guarantee? I don't know much, but I'm pretty sure that most of the genetic tests can't even be performed on a dog under a year old. She claims to have done a lot of research and determined that Royal Canin is the best food ever, too...which is bogus. A quick google search will show you dozens of better foods.
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Old 08-21-2009, 11:43 AM
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It depends. I am great friends with Summer's (and Beau, Rose's and Nard's) breeders. Mia's breeder is great but I doubt we will ever have that kind of a relationship. She's much more business like but she cares about her dogs, everything was more formal (I guess) with her. I knew her dogs though and knew people with her dogs and decided to go on with it despite not being immediate bffs with her. Both breeders care which is the main thing, they just go about it different ways. Both breeders will answer any email and any question I have. Both adore pics and updates on their 'babies'. I just doubt I'll be going to Mia's breeder's house for tea like I can with Summer's. We actually just go visit the breeder sometimes for no real reason. I will probably still board my dogs with Summer's breeder too.

Both breeders have given very vocal advice about the dogs I've gotten from them. Some I've listened to, others I haven't. For example I am not feeding either of them the recommended food their breeders wanted me to feed. Though Summer's breeder has admitted that she's doing much better on the food I feed and is even looking into switching her dogs. Mia's breeder said no table scraps and the first day home I gave her a french fry, lol. And Summer's breeder really wanted Summer to be an only dog for some reason. Ah well, there's only so much control a breeder can have over their pups after they leave them. If I didn't sign specifically that I wouldn't do something, I'm making my own best judgement.

It's nice to have breeders that are good friends but there's always points we disagree on too. I haven't actually told Summer's breeders about Mia yet as they don't quite like the other breeder. I don't want to hurt feelings either but that's complicated sometimes. Ugh politics... part of why I'm really considering getting a mentor that is OUTSIDE the breed, lmao.
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vmills, I don't want to burst your bubble...but while your #2 breeder may be a lovely woman, her health guarantee policy is pretty crummy. A one year genetic guarantee? I don't know much, but I'm pretty sure that most of the genetic tests can't even be performed on a dog under a year old. She claims to have done a lot of research and determined that Royal Canin is the best food ever, too...which is bogus. A quick google search will show you dozens of better foods.
LOL, I have yet to meet many breeders that recommend good food (well by my standards). Most show people will push Purina as that's what's fed. A few breeders feed raw or high quality kibble but I haven't met many. My breeders pushed Purina and Eukanuba respectively. That's not a deal breaker for me.
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You learn something new everyday

Is the 30 day defect/1 year genetic thing standard too?
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Is the 30 day defect/1 year genetic thing standard too?
The food thing I agree with, I have seen many awesome breeders that feed purina, etc.. and swear by it

the health/genetic thing. no way. maybe its popular, but its definetely not "standard" for a GOOD breeder
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The breeder I was going to get my puppy from swore by Eukenuba, and quite frankly she's about as good as they come. She's like Mia's breeder in that she's not Ms. I-want-to-be-best-friends, but she's a good lady.

I agree with the other posters. I don't think I'd ever take advice from someone who I viewed as unethical, and for me, the breeding of mixed breeds is unethical, on top of the fact that the person also has poor practices regarding health guarentees.

Only one year for genetic issues? What if the puppy has hip displasia?? That's as genetic as it comes and frankly, even if a dog comes down with hip displasia at 2 is a tragedy, IMHO.

Definitely not someone I'd want to mentor me.

This is just my opinion, and you can take it with a grain of salt.
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Old 08-21-2009, 03:41 PM
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Thanks vmills for the kind referral.

CaliTerp07, I respect your opinion since we all have them, however I feel I give a very fair health guarantee (considering some breeders do not give any at all). In the 9 years I have been breeding Cockapoos I have never had any genetic health problems with my puppies. We do have genetic testing done to insure healthy puppies. At the beginning of this year I had a customer whom purchased a puppy over two years ago send me a very sad email that their dog had died (the dog did not die due to any genetic or hereditary illness). Very sad time for them. I called them to give my condolences and to offer them another puppy. His first reply was, we do not have enough money at this time but do want to get another from you in the future. I replied no I want to give one for free. I am not heartless and care very much about my puppies and their new family. If any of my bloodlines were to have any genetic illness (outside of the one year time frame), I would do the proper thing.

Now on to the food. I love Royal Canin, it is a very high quality feed (most vets even sell it). There are many other high quality foods on the market, but for my cockapoo's I prefer Royal Canin and think it is best for me. It is high in protein with a balanced daily nutrition and it is a very small nibble. The price has gone up a lot ($41.99 for a 16 lb bag) so I have been looking into other feeds possibly a raw diet, but I still recommend RC.

Sammgirl, again I respect your opinion, however the Cockapoo has been a hybrid for a very long time. I am sorry you feel that breeding mixed breeds (as you called it) is unethical. I was raised with Cocker Spaniels as my mother breed and showed them to their championships. I LOVE Cocker Spaniels and I am allergic to them. When I was 18 I got a Cockapoo puppy and my allergies were not bothered by my new Cockapoo puppy. This is how I began to breed Cockapoo's. Not only are Cockapoo's low in dander but the temperament and health problems the pure breeds are susceptible to are diminished significantly by the cross breeding. Cocapoos have a wonderful temperament and are great family pets. While I love pure breeds and we need them, the hybrids are also very nice. One breed is perfect for you and another is perfect for me.

As far as hip displasia goes I have never seen this in a small breed dog such as a Cockapoo. Now if I were to buy a large breed (40 pounds and larger) I would expect the hips be tested on both parents and a guarantee.

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