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Old 07-26-2009, 05:03 PM
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A Walker is not a foxhound. The Treeing Walker Coonhound is an offshoot of the English Coonhound, as is the Bluetick Coonhound. None of these dogs are foxhounds and have not been for over two hundred years. Foxhounds are pack hounds used to hunt foxes with horses.
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Yup. I highly doupt, judging by conformation that it is a harrier. Also considering how hard they are to find, it doupt it.

I am leaning towards Am Foxhound. Not English. Could be a Treeing Walker. I do know its not a Beagle, Harrier or English Foxhound. I like being helpfull.
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Old 07-26-2009, 05:27 PM
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How is she too tall to be a Harrier when they are the smallest of the 3 breeds you listed?

From the links MicksMom posted:

Foxhound:

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Harrier:
Okay so it may just be me being dumb, but what you said made no sense to me

She is too tall to be a Harrier she said, but then you asked how she is too tall when they are the smallest of the 3 breeds. Well, if they are the smallest, and she is too tall, then it makes sense?? LOL I don't know if what I said made sense to anybody but me, but what you said has me confused :S
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Old 07-26-2009, 05:39 PM
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you might want to check out the hunter's horn magazine, MOST foxhounds are not run in large packs to horses. by your definition the trigg, july, calhoun & goodman are not foxhounds & yet shockingly all are registered as american foxhounds w/ the UKC (although the standard foxhound studbook registers them by line & percentage).
the running walker is a foxhound commonly used to run fox, coyote & deer. when hunted on fox it is commonly run solo or in braces while the hunter attempts to get in front of the run and shoot the fox OR it is run in larger packs for competition & "pleasure" while the hunters sit around the fire listening to the hound music. these manners of hunting are also commonly used w/ the july, trigg, & goodman (the calhoun was never a competition dog).
the running walker foxhound is the base blood from which the treeing walker was developed based on an infusion of blood from tennesse lead. theoretically the lead blood is what seperates the treeing lines from the running lines (but lead blooded dogs are in the line even after they were officially seperated).
I don't know which official separation you are referring to, but I am referring to the one in 1945 when the UKC formed a separate registry for Treeing Walker Coonhounds, separating them for the English Coonhounds. In spite of this, to this day you can go backward, and register you Walker as an English if you can get the English people to accept it. The great hound Speck was registered English that way.

There are no foxhounds involved in all of this for a very, very long time. I think you are talking about assorted crossbred hounds that are hard to classify.

I wish you would post some links to these Walker Foxhounds you keep talking about. Since Thomas Walker, that Treeing Walkers are named after, died in the 1700s, it seems unlikely there is a strain of foxhounds he left for posterity as well along with his coonhounds.
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Old 07-26-2009, 05:53 PM
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As the owner of a very handsome Treing Walker myself, and using the picture in the siggy as a reference, I am pretty sure that this is a smallish Treeing Walker Coonhound bitch. It is certainly the most likely scenario, and that sure looks like a Walker head to me.

I'm sure Pops has numerous contradictions with obscure references, but I stand by my opinion, and so does Uncle Fred.

This is an old photo, from the holidays, but UF says "Hi, there pretty girl, AROOOOOO"
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Old 07-26-2009, 11:40 PM
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my point is that because the coonhounds come from the foxhounds any confirmation you find in one you will find in the other. instead of worrying about which kind it is just enjoy the hound you have. ETA you doesn't actually mean you, it means anyone picking up a hound at the pound or whatever.

UF is a fine looking hound.

1. they haven't been coonhounds for 200 years as of 1905 they were english fox & coonhound w/ the UKC. when they divied up the running side changed registration to american foxhound.
2. treeing walkers aren't named for Thomas Walker of Virginia. they are named for the Walker family of Garard county KY, John W. (who got a fair few lead blooded dogs from Wash Maupin), his nephew Jason, and his sons W. Stephen & Edwin H. J. (who actually get the credit since they kept meticulous breeding records). on a side note i was wrong, lead was a founder in both running & treeing types. the breed/line was founded in the 1850s using lead & and several other key studs & bitches bred to each other & the hounds they already had. breed name developed when the family sold sold a ton of dogs to Texas where they originated calling them walkers and the name spread from there.
here is the AKC reference that the treeing line came from the running line
American Kennel Club - Treeing Walker Coonhound History

here is the American Foxhound Club breed history page
History of the American Foxhound

here is a few great articles that give much more detailed information
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here is a page that gives the UKC history on the breeds (including the false credit for the breed name to Thomas Walker)
CoonDawgs.com Coonhound Breeds
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Old 07-29-2009, 12:20 AM
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Wow o_o thanks for all the information and dr mom UF is a pretty dog.... here is another question, since two or three people have said that she is fat, how can i; besides a diet and exersise get her to loose some weight, she gets a run everyday for about 30 to 40 minutes, and when i mean run she actually pretty much drags me on the bike when i put her harness on her. While its fun to be pulled and not have to do anything i still dont see a difference in her weight gain and i have been trying to tell my mom that she is fat too x.x
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Old 07-29-2009, 10:23 AM
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they are made for endurance running, I have seen beardogs run for 8 straight days here in the coastal swamps because when they would lose one bear they would jump another on the way out.
she's not grossly fat (like the average pet lab, pit, rottie etc) she's just not in what hunters call running trim. if you can add 2 hour ride once a week she'd be there quick. the other option is to road her. i roaded my boys by taking them to some dirt/gravel roads on the Marine Base that get almost zero traffic. i get far enough of the hardball about 200-300 yds. i let them out of the truck then jump in and take off (at first it was about 20MPH later they built up to 30-35). the dogs chase me in the truck. to keep it safe I always stay in the middle of the road to block oncoming traffic & i NEVER let the dogs catch up to the truck. ALWAYS ALWAYS keep them behind the truck.
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forgot to say also unless you plan to hunt her hard then don't worry about getting her in running trim. you have nice maintenance level conditioning program for her.
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I run Uncle Fred next to a bike for 45 minutes to an hour every day at a very brisk trot (just barely slower than what m,akes him break into a gallop). And he gets between one and two hours of off leash time at the dog park every day. He is in excellent condition. It isn't the same as running long distances in the woods like he was meant to, but it is the best we can do, and he is a very happy hound, or so he says.

The key is to teach her to run nicely next to a bicycle, so you can do it safely with you in control. This started for us when our vet said the best thing to help with his early bone density issues was to exercize him at a fast trot--good for building bone density without excess joint stress, or so he said. A bicycle is the only thing that goes the right speed. We tried jogging, but no one at our house is fast enough.

Here is one of my favorite shots of Uncle Fred for weight comparison. you can see his ribs under his coat if the sun is shining on it.
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o-o Running trim....okies, well i gotta buy a new bike cause the other one got trashed by my brother and i had surgery lately so she has been a lazy hound..... oh and that is a nice picture, my Addy has a belly compared to that x.x
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