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Old 07-08-2009, 02:15 PM
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I will post a pic as soon as I figure out how.

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Old 07-08-2009, 02:21 PM
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How are they registered? Is one registered as a Minie and the other a Standard Aussie? If that's the case I would agree with xpaeanx, that it would be two seperate breeds (mixed breed).
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Old 07-08-2009, 02:43 PM
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I will post a pic as soon as I figure out how.

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Old 07-08-2009, 03:06 PM
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The Mini Aussie is what you get when you breed small aussies together. They're not a seperate breed.
From what I understand, the standard aussie club of america will not register mini aussies. However, under certain circumstances standard aussies in other registeries can be also registered with the mini aussie club.

This is how my friend's dog Darby was registered. His parents were both registered mini aussies, and both registered AKC aussies. One was an 18" bitch and the sire was, I think 16". Both purebred. The entire litter was eligible for registration as either, because of their parent's status, but Darby's owner only registered him with the mini aussie club because he only got 17".

Mini aussies and toy aussies are totally different animals. The mini aussie club maintains a registry to make sure there are no mixed dogs being bred into the lines. They also promote working ability and health testing in their code of ethics. In fact, the standard for minis says the following:

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GENERAL APPEARANCE: The Miniature Australian Shepherd is a well-balanced herding dog of small to medium size. Bone is also moderate and in proportion to body size. He is attentive and animated, showing strength and stamina combined with unusual agility. Slightly longer than tall, he has a coat of moderate length and coarseness with coloring that offers variety and individuality in each specimen. An identifying characteristic is his natural or docked bobtail. In each sex, masculinity or femininity is well defined.
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Old 07-08-2009, 03:27 PM
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Mini Aussie Rescue & Support, Inc. (MARS)

According to this, the mini aussie is the outcome of only breeding small aussies.

Now there is a "mini aussie" breed club and standard(1960) as well as an Australian Shepherd breed club and standard(1957).

So, breeding the two together at this point (I would think) is a mixed breed.
So is that true breeding a mini with a standard produces a mixed breed?
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Old 07-08-2009, 04:07 PM
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The original parent club, ASCA (Aussie Shepherd Club of America) won't register Minis because they don't meet the standard for the Australian Shepherd. Dogs that are significantly undersized have a disqualifying fault and aren't suitable for breeding. That's why there are separate registries for the Minis. Now, some female Aussies can end up being very small even if they're out of normal standard parents, so if a dog is an inch or two under standard, they then qualify for the Mini label, or are just referred to as "out of standard".

There are breeders who do keep crossing back to the standard size so as to preserve the original traits and those breeders are better, in my opinion, than those just keep breeding mini to mini, because that's how you end up with very skewed features, shifts in temperaments, etc. These dogs were not meant to be the size of cocker spaniels. It inhibits working ability.
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Old 07-08-2009, 04:40 PM
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So is that true breeding a mini with a standard produces a mixed breed?
In Darby's case, no, because his parents were dual registered. Actually, his dam was from a mini X standard breeding, and she was in standard for an aussie at 18". At the low end, but in standard. Some of his siblings were standards, and some including him were in the mini range. His owner was going to breed him to a 19" female, but then he didn't pass the CERF so they neutered him instead.

The aussie club of america sees them as separate breeds because breeding for a smaller size is breeding for an out of standard trait. They won't register dogs that are registered as mini aussies. From how Darby's situation worked out though, I don't think they care if a dog is dual registered as long as they are registered with the aussie parent club all the way back.

Incidentally, mini's also have a size limit. They are not allowed to be smaller than 14".
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Old 07-08-2009, 05:36 PM
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I have always heard that mini aussies were mixes between alot of smaller dogs along with aussies.
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Old 07-08-2009, 09:00 PM
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Here are a couple pictures of my "Mini Aussie" He is 10 wks old yesturday.
His name is Mickey...






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What a cute little fluffball!!
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