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Old 08-29-2005, 10:25 AM
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Bridey, good to hear someone else knows about "farm bred" dogs. Some of these old fashioned farmers have a much better eye for good stock, whether it's a calf, a sheep or a pup, than high tech breeders, especially where a working dog is concerned. I know I'd far rather have a German Shepherd that was bred by one of these old masters than one with a long string of pedigrees and claims to "European lines!" And the phrase "farm bred" means quite a bit in the Fila world.

Julie - I'm glad you're going to check this dog out with an open mind. It seems as if there is kismet at work here . . .
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Old 08-29-2005, 10:27 AM
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Skye came from a farm too, and he's a great dog.
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Old 08-29-2005, 12:03 PM
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Renee & Bidey, finally people who don't raise hackles when mentioned that show dogs in conformation arent all that!
The reason farmers and mushers can breed such great lines of dogs is due to breeding for behavioral conformation that matches their jobs. For instance the best mushing dog is a combination of different breeds called the Alaskan Husky, the gene pool is constantly flooded with new genes and don't get caught in stagnent purebred gene pools. Border Collies are bred for behavioral conformation and showing eye properly...if the dog does not show eye then they are not used for future breeding. The border collies can have prick ears, tipped ears etc. there is no fault for looks and beuty...they are bred for health and stamnia...this is something our kennel clubs are going to have to think about in the future before our current kennel club purebreds suffer from too many inherit disease and start opening up the stud books to create healthy dogs...not pretty dogs.
I read about how the border collie club protested when the AKC wanted to recognize the border collie. The border collie club "knew" that the kennel clubs would ruin thier breed. They still are not recognized by the Canadian Kennel club, at least they have been able to stay out of that kennel club. I talked with a few people who field trial their border collies and they attended a few conformation shows and were mortified at what they were placing.
Anyhow, it's nice to know we can discuss this without being attacked.
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Old 08-29-2005, 03:57 PM
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Ok, I have been talking to two different breeders and now I am at the point where I would like to go and see the dogs from both the breeders. The one breeder has the adult and puppy and the other breeder has just a puppy. As much as I wouldn't really want to go through the puppy thing agian I think that maybe a pup would be best. I'm just SO confused. I know I'll get the puppy and be slamming my head agianst the wall in a few days. The second breeder (who is farther) sounds like she has a better deal going with her dogs. She emailed me and said: both parents have been tested for hip dysplasia and tested good and both parents have excellent temperments. She said the sire was given top marks on temperment on his last show in July. She also said the puppy will be 8 weeks tomorrow and I mentoned that I wouldn't be able to pick the puppy up for a few more weeks (the 23rd of September) she said that is fine because she would rather the pup stay with the mother for longer than 8 weeks. She seems like a nice woman all together and when I mentioned that I would actually like to meet the parents she was so happy that I was taking the interest to want to meet them instead of just having the puppy shipped and not bothering. I also told her the other breeder I was dealing with and they were somewhat close to each other and she just said "you know she doesn't do any health tests?" So I think it's definetely worth paying the extra money to get the puppy from the lady who does the health tests (seeing as the other breeder must have lied to me and said she did do the tests when she didn't).
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Old 08-29-2005, 04:00 PM
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Well, if they're bred like that, then that's great. But the trouble is, a lot of bybs don't breed that way (farm bred) and they don't breed any good dogs at all. I got my Dobe from a very well thought of breeder who shows, has shown for years and has #1 Dobe in the country. There's nothing wrong with his conformation or any of her dogs. They're beautiful and also able to do what they were bred to do. So, while it may be true with some breeds not being bred well by show people, that is not the case with every breed at all or all within a breed. If everyone bred dogs according to what they thought a dog should be like, there would be variations all over the place and the dogs would not all look the same at all. There wouldn't be a particular breed if people strayed and bred their own way. That is why there are standards. If theres something wrong with a standard, then the breed club ought to do something about it....the owners of that breed who are in the club.
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Old 08-29-2005, 07:01 PM
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I think meeting both breeders is a good idea. Make sure to ask for proofs that the parents were tested for everything and not just hips... You know all this is starting to make me paranoid about ever contacting a breeder for a dog if the first one really lied to you... but again maybe the second one really wants to sell their pup so they're the ones who lied. Anyway, you'll be able to see for yourself.

To be honest though, I think that two pups is a handful, and I would get an adult dog if I were you, or wait a year or so and get a puppy... But you know better than me what you can handle. Have you contacted some rescues?
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Old 08-29-2005, 07:03 PM
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Ok, I have been thinking about other dogs and maybe adopting an adult from a rescue or something. I probably won't adopt for ATLEAST 2 years though, not until my two are out of their puppy stage. Does anyone know the pros and cons of this breed? I was just curious because I hear that they are really intelligent and I think they are so beautiful. I really want a standard though because I like big dogs more than I like little ones (I'm not bashing toy or minuatures).
havn't you just lost a lot of your animals ,don't you wanna give it time?2 dogs a few cats? you have 2 puppies now dont you?
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Old 08-29-2005, 07:14 PM
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havn't you just lost a lot of your animals ,don't you wanna give it time?2 dogs a few cats? you have 2 puppies now dont you?

And your business in this is what??? Don't you think it is kinda rude to talk about stuff like that.
Cats-severe allergies to-not her fault
Shelby-died cancer-not her fault
Mack-aggressive biter-not her fault

So what's the problem with her thinking about getting a poodle???
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Old 08-29-2005, 07:16 PM
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well its a question that i am curious to know, doesnt have to answer it.
so u know what yukon, just calm down, i was not asking this meanly.havent been on in a while
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Old 08-29-2005, 07:20 PM
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well its a question that i am curious to know, doesnt have to answer it.
so u know what yukon, just calm down, i was not asking this meanly.havent been on in a while

She did say she was not buying right away either, so what is wrong with doing some research. I think it is responsible of her to get some information before making a decision. Anyway in my opinion it was extremely rude and my dear I am nothing but calm. I was only stating my opinion and you are welcome to take or leave it, however you wish.
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