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Old 08-23-2009, 07:15 PM
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Being a breeder, I'm very careful on this subject.

1) I don't spay the females I am breeding, of course. People who do not intend to breed need to spay/neuter, period. If a female does not fit my very particular criteria (eye or patella problems, bad conformation, cord 1 PRA affected, etc) then she will be spayed.

2) A PP said that the world does not need anymore puppies. Again, I would be careful with this line of thought. What happens if there's no more puppies? Guess what! Canines will go extinct!

I am all for breeding, of course, but only for those who know what they're doing. The problem with "pet overpopulation" (which, btw, I think is grossly exaggerated by HSUS and other organization - they pull numbers out of thin air!) is NOT good breeders - people who are testing their dogs, showing, breeding the right dogs together, etc. - but it lies with people who have "accidental" litters, who just want one puppy, who want their kids to see what it's like, etc.
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Old 08-23-2009, 07:25 PM
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i disagree about people not intending to breed needing to heuter as an absolute. I know several good hunting dog breeders who have bought back dogs that turned out to be superior workers specifically to save their genetics. Had the hunters who owned them spayed or neutered the genes of these superior dogs would have been lost.
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Old 08-23-2009, 07:43 PM
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i disagree about people not intending to breed needing to heuter as an absolute. I know several good hunting dog breeders who have bought back dogs that turned out to be superior workers specifically to save their genetics. Had the hunters who owned them spayed or neutered the genes of these superior dogs would have been lost.
Your example doesn't seem to make a good point, but maybe I'm missing something here. I'm a dachshund breeder, so my dogs don't actively work.

If a breeder wants to keep certain lines then they need to breed for those lines and keep the puppies back themselves. They do not need to sell the puppies and tell the new owners not to spay/neuter them because they might one day want them back. Again, it's the responsibility of the breeder to understand this and keep the dogs, care for them, take responsibility of them - all in order to see if they will be good dogs to further the breed.
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Old 08-23-2009, 09:56 PM
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breeding for work you can't tell which pup is going to grow into the best working dog. so if the hunters who had owned the dogs chose to neuter (the choice was theirs not something the breeder said) then the genetics of those dogs would have been lost. on the note of breeders wanting access to dogs they place, the breeder that gave me my salukiXgrey wanted breeding rights if he turned out well. his line can be traced back 20 generations and the litter he came from was linebred tight. he however had some deficiencies that i felt were not worth passing on even though his drive is incredible & his toughness is way beyond the norm for this type of mix. he is so excellent in some ways that i now question my decision to have him cut, but it's too late to change that decision. if he turns out to be a single handed coyote dog, i'll be kicking myself for decades after he's gone, not to mention the rest of his life.
now not all exceptional working dogs reproduce themselves even when linebred, but the ones that do generally found excellent lines that may even become breeds, for example the chinook sleddog (could be wrong my memory ain't what it used to be) & the july (american) foxhound (or in the case of tennesse lead & weatherford ben found MULTIPLE lines/breeds)
i have heard of show breeders doing the same thing, that is buying back a dog they bred that turned out exceptional to more fully incorporate it into their breeding program.
on a side note doxies make fine little working dogs in several ways if you give them a chance.
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Old 08-23-2009, 10:24 PM
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People who do not intend to breed need to spay/neuter, period.
I disagree. There are many health risks associated with spay/neuter. I've been on the fence about whether or not to neuter Tyr for a while - a lot of what I love about his personality and his work seems to be directly tied to his sex drive. Nyx won't be spayed any time soon because she is borderline hypothyroid. I ruined an amazing obedience prospect by spaying her. Morgan was spayed not because she wasn't going to breed, but because of a "hormone imbalance" that made her heat cycles increasingly difficult for her.

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I'm a dachshund breeder, so my dogs don't actively work.
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Dachshunds are a wonderful working breed of dog. Many do actively hunt and are quite good at it. I really enjoy seeing dogs perform their original purpose.
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Old 08-23-2009, 10:31 PM
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I do not plan on fixing my future agility dogs. The dogs I have now... one is a lazy pet (no agility prospect) and the female is a great agility prospect but after one heat i realized that i would rather spay her. I hated the bleeding and my neutered male (yup, NEUTERED) tied with her twice! Plus no dog park visits for a while
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Old 08-23-2009, 10:32 PM
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Dachshunds are a wonderful working breed of dog. Many do actively hunt and are quite good at it. I really enjoy seeing dogs perform their original purpose.
I apologize - my intent was lost in translation, so to speak! My dogs do not actively work underground badger dens :-) I do not take them out in the field to pursue these animals like a hunter will take his GSP out on the hunt with him. They do, however, love a good squirrel chase! And anything else they can find!

I had to go out on Christmas Eve to DIG one of my dogs out of a hole. She was after a raccoon and had been in there for about 18 hours. We live in Texas so it wasn't too cold... maybe in the 50's. I know how dedicated the are to their predecessors' work!
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Old 08-23-2009, 10:43 PM
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the minis aren't for badgers, they are for rabbit, deer & bird work. the standards are badger dogs. both are good for bloodtrailing, SAR & cadaver search. they are handy little dogs.
there are people who do the digging thing on purpose. if you don't mind the digging it is great work but you might want a draw dog like a lurcher or large terrier (airedale or decker rat) to finish of coons, fox & other critters.
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Old 08-23-2009, 10:58 PM
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the minis aren't for badgers, they are for rabbit, deer & bird work. the standards are badger dogs. both are good for bloodtrailing, SAR & cadaver search. they are handy little dogs.
haha, wow, I have been breeding for 10 years and have NEVER heard this! I mean, I've heard that they are very good at this, but not specifically bred down (from standard to mini) specifically for rabbit, deer, and bird work.

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Old 08-24-2009, 12:01 AM
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aithough they are primarily baying dogs doxies are VERY rough & minis would wind up killed young if regulary turned in on badgers, even europeans.
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