Please Neuter

[corgipower]

Originally Posted by mmorlino

i had to go out on christmas eve to dig one of my dogs out of a hole. She was after a raccoon and had been in there for about 18 hours. We live in texas so it wasn't too cold... Maybe in the 50's. I know how dedicated the are to their predecessors' work!

Very nice!

[ES Happiness]

Originally Posted by dogsarebetter

I do not plan on fixing my future agility dogs. The dogs I have now... one is a lazy pet (no agility prospect) and the female is a great agility prospect but after one heat i realized that i would rather spay her. I hated the bleeding and my neutered male (yup, NEUTERED) tied with her twice! Plus no dog park visits for a while

We had a horse I suspected of being 'proud' cut. He was really bad to mount the mares, and well, cough, cough, really mean business . I wonder if there could be a canine version of 'proud cut'?

[Saeleofu]

Wow. WOW. Chaz sure has come a long way!

[Linds]

Originally Posted by Saeleofu

Wow. WOW. Chaz sure has come a long way!

I was just thinking that! I really love the direction it's taken though

[Saeleofu]

Originally Posted by Linds

I really love the direction it's taken though

ME TOO!!!!!!





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[sillysally]

Originally Posted by ES Happiness

We had a horse I suspected of being 'proud' cut. He was really bad to mount the mares, and well, cough, cough, really mean business . I wonder if there could be a canine version of 'proud cut'?

It's really not that uncommon for geldings to mount mares in heat. I used to have a standardbred that was gelded by 2 years at least (he was raced as a gelding at 2 years) and he had a favorite mare that could not be with him when she was in season, as he would mount and penetrate her if allowed. However, he was quiet, gentle, and not at all "study" otherwise. There were several other geldings at the barn where I used to work and board that would mount mares in season or at the very least drive other horses away from a mare in season. One large saddlebred gelding we had even tried to have a go with a mini when she was in heat--I caught him trying to brace her up against the arena wall O.o He had never shown that kind of interest in the other mares. We've even had cases of a yearling stud colt mounting an older gelding (who REALLY did not appreciate it-lol) and my friend's mare would mount one specific paint mare when she was in heat.

Truly "proud cut" geldings are very rare in modern times. Back in the day it tended to happen when the colt had retained a testicle when the other had descended, and the vet just took the ball he saw. It CAN still happen if someone who doesn't have much experience gelds or if there is a freakish third undescended testicle, but not nearly as often as people think it happens. Around here if a gelding looks at a mare sideways when she's in season people yell "proud cut!"

As to the topic on the thread, I will likely alter any future dogs at some point, but only after they are done growing. If I go through a rescue I'll take what they'll give me as far as altering. I'd rather wait until they mature, but if we find the right dog and the only way I can get them is them to be altered young, then that's what we'll do. However, if I went thorough a breeder I would not buy from a breeder who had a contract that required me to alter when the dog was still immature.

As far as cats, all cats that will be going outside (any cats we have after these will be barn cats) should be altered as soon as it is medicinally safe as far as I'm concerned.

Any young male horses I own will be gelded after they fill out a bit as long as they don't turn into young, hormonal, 800 lb asshats.

Oh, and I won't ever own an intact male goat. They stink to high heaven and urine all over themselves deliberately.

[Dogdragoness]

Originally Posted by ES Happiness

We had a horse I suspected of being 'proud' cut. He was really bad to mount the mares, and well, cough, cough, really mean business . I wonder if there could be a canine version of 'proud cut'?

I guess its pretty common with horses because at the place where I worked, we had this ont gelding called Popcorn that used to mount & uh ... "do the deed" with the mares all the time, I dont know how good that is for the mares, being as they are mounted over & over again but not "bred" so they never "get a break" (he really never gave them a choice LOL, He'd follow them around harassing them until they finally were like "FINE!")

there is another debate going on on another forum I am on regarding "fixing" dogs, saying that dogs dont have to be fixed of their owners dont want to. Well that is all fine & good if you are responsible person who manages their dog. But the problem is there are lots of people who have dogs with little common sense who leave their dogs tied out, in the yard all the time or free to run around & do god knows what. For those people I think its a very dangerous thing to say on the public internet "Yeah ... you dont have to fix your dog if you dont want to." I think it has the potiental to cause more harm then good.

I will always advocate spaying & neutering by default, because I believe that its the responsible thing to do unless you have an exceptional PURE bred dog that excells in something, whether it be dog sports, show or working.

[Dizzy]

I think the default should also be spay and neuter.

Spay and neuter and only be allowed to opt out if you can prove you're responsible enough to own an intact animal.

If you're on a dog forum, changes are you are responsible enough, the other 99.9% of the population.... I'm not so sure.

[Saeleofu]

Originally Posted by Dizzy

I think the default should also be spay and neuter.

Spay and neuter and only be allowed to opt out if you can prove you're responsible enough to own an intact animal.

I think vasectomies and ovary-sparing spays should be default. Spay and neuter only if hormones are REALLY a problem or for true medical reasons. Your average BYB/mixed breed dog that most people own are usually unhealthy enough as it is.

[Linds]

Originally Posted by Saeleofu

I think vasectomies and ovary-sparing spays should be default. Spay and neuter only if hormones are REALLY a problem or for true medical reasons. Your average BYB/mixed breed dog that most people own are usually unhealthy enough as it is.

This.

Plus education. I don't like propaganda or trying to withhold information from people because it's assumed they aren't capable of handling it. Its hard to get honest information about altering even when you put in the effort to try to research the best route for you and your dog. You're hit with half/stretched truths and scare tactics from every direction.