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Old 06-21-2009, 06:18 PM
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I was quoted $1400

thats what can happen with a BYB dog.

I didn't realize you already had multiple dogs let alone 5. I think you need to back the soul train up and let the BYB find the dog another home.
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Old 06-21-2009, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ihartgonzo View Post
I have one question:


I'm sorry, but I don't understand why anyone who is struggling to provide anything for one of their dogs would have the desire to get another. Much less 5. Instead of saving up money to spay this dog, feed this dog, take this dog to the Vet, etc, why not save up money to correct Padfoot's entropion? Oh, because that's not new and shiney and exciting? *le sigh*

Like Fluffy said, it breaks my heart to hear you say "at least she will be given better care/food than the other dogs". What? If apparently Padfoot is being allowed in the house, and things are looking up, why add another dog into the equation? Why not save up to improve the lives of your currect dogs?

One more thing... "free dogs" are often far from that. She has not been spayed. She needs to be checked out by a Vet. Being from a BYB and having lived outside all of her life, there's a good chance that she has health issues, periodontal disease, etc. She is definitely not a well-bred dog, nor from an honest/reputable person, and serious structural issues are almost certaintly present or soon to be present. BYB's and PM's are always looking for money, and the fact that she's free is a good indication that they are losing money on her. Adopting a dog from a rescue who has been altered, Vet checked, and fully evaluated is a much safer option in the long-run... and I do agree that taking a dog from a BYB who they have used up and exploited as much as they possibly can IS condoning their immoral practices and IS giving them room for more.

I would absolutely love another dog. I want another Border Collie very much, but adding another would mean skimping on the care my current dogs get.
I don't understand why you would be planning things to do with a dog that isn't even yours while dogs that belong to your family are living in substandard conditions.
Just a week ago there was an adult cat and a kitten living under my neighbor's house and I helped trap them. They wanted the adult, so I almost brought the kitten home. That would not have been the right thing to do just because I wanted to. With what my mom earns we can take care of the animals we have now. That's it, no more animals until there's more to spare. Both my dogs are due for their rabies vac in a month, and if I hadn't thought it through, I might have found myself choosing between the kitten's shots and spay, and my dogs' shots. Or I might not to have been able to afford good food and they all could have ended up eating Ol' Roy or some crap (I'd never feed my girls that, just an example). Instead, I fostered the kitten and found her a great home with someone I know.
The animals you have should come first before any new one! And you're kidding yourself if you think all that dog is going to cost is food bills and the price of a couple toys.
Once you've helped improve your current dogs' welfare drastically, and you have a job, then start just to think about getting another dog.

I don't think you have to give a BYB $$ to condone what they do. Helping them support their business, even just by "clearing out" a retired dog, is supporting them, even just indirectly. If the dog was in the care of a rescue after being reliquished by the BYB, that would be different.
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Old 06-21-2009, 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Criosphynx View Post
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I was quoted $1400

thats what can happen with a BYB dog.

I didn't realize you already had multiple dogs let alone 5. I think you need to back the soul train up and let the BYB find the dog another home.

And thats something I guess you could say "genetic?"
Have you considered accidents? Like my Zelda and I just went through. She ate plastic. Needed a surgery that cost 1300$ to save her life.

Reading though all this material I really do think you should forget about a 6th dog and why not just baby one of the ones you already have?

they aren't toys you know...
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Old 06-21-2009, 10:41 PM
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Accidents are a biggie, and something that should be considered. Accidents can happen even under the most watchful eye and emergency vets are BEYOND expensive.

Bo ate a poisonous mushroom last year. I had just went thru the whole yard, and he somehow found one I had missed.

Emmy developed Epilepsy and the first seizure she had, we rushed her to the emergency vet, and let's just say that it took two credit cards to pay the bill at the time, when they got done with the tests.

Annie completely dislocated her hip and fractured her leg, when her leash slipped my hand and she ran off and tripped in something. She needed surgery to repair it and cast it. 2 days later, she ripped off the cast and dislocated it again, and had to have EVERYTHING re-done. I will not even begin to tell you the fortune that was spent.

I had rescued Sam and only 4 days later he nearly died from an allergic reaction and had issues that have never gone away. The amount of tests and specialists that have followed reached into numbers that included a comma.

Accidents happen. And when they do, they are beyond expensive.

As someone else said, a dog is way more than just food and toys and a simple vet exam every now and then.
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Old 06-21-2009, 10:57 PM
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Old 06-21-2009, 11:16 PM
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Yep, and bills add up later on even when it's not a life and death emergency.

Found a lump on Audubon, and she ended up having to have surgery and a biopsy, plus follow-up x-rays after the lump was found to be a mast cell tumor.

Mattie's teeth were so rotted, the roof of his mouth started coming undone (yes... undone) as the bone had been eaten away from infection, and needed corrective surgery to glue it back in place and repair it.

Gracie started having white gums and a lack of appetite. Took her in and she went thru rounds of x-rays and bloodwork only to find out her liver wasn't working properly. Not to mention one month after I got her (and this is a dachshund, btw), her back went out completely and we had to have that fixed too.

We adopted Jake, only to be told he had a heart murmur the day we took him home. So I took him to the vet, and a ECG, 4 x-rays, and 2 sets of bloodwork later, we found out that he has an enlarged heart, mitral valve prolapse, and congestive heart failure, on top of the fact that his kidneys aren't functioning quite as they should. Now he's on daily medication and special diet.

The list goes on and on and on. All my guys are rescues, and half are on medications for *something*. My cabinet looks like a pharmacy, litterally. Because the reality is, when you take in a rescue dog, you are typically not taking in a top of the line dog from great genes. You are taking in the leftovers of BYB's that have bred, continuously, genetically screwed up dogs.

And I know you've seen a lot of our responses, as you logged in last night, but never replied back. No one here is being rude, but the 4 pages of responses are because we CARE about the future dog you take in, and we want what's best for it. And your heart may be in the right place, but that doesn't mean your intentions will be the best thing for this dog, especially if you cannot financially support the dog, and your mom is not willing to. One of your dogs died of parvo awhile back because your mom refused to give it vaccinations. You say she's treating her animals better now, yet you posted the other day that she's threatening to throw your cat outside because you can't get it litterbox trained. This is on top of the fact that you are not working.

I think we all just worry about the future well-being of the dog. A lot of us have been there and done that, and we know the costs that come with owning a dog, especially a bad bred BYB breeder dog. It's not necessarily how many dogs you own (hell, I have 15), but it's a matter of being able to financially support all of them, especially if they need a vet. I may not be rich, but my dogs have never been denied a vet visit, or even a specialist when needed, nor have they ever been deprived medication or expensive testing when it's called for. Bills get paid, and they see a vet, no matter what.

I think the bottom line is, according to your latest threads, many here don't feel you are ready for a new dog. Not when the others are not being properly cared for. When those begin to be properly cared for, and you are working a job that enables you to financially care for the dogs yourself without replying on your mother, then that will be an entirely different story.

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Old 06-21-2009, 11:41 PM
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Kayota, I know this thread probably seems quite overwhelming, but for the most part, everyone's heart is in the right place. Now probably isn't the best time to be adding another member to your household. I too suggest you focus on the animals you do have, because when you don't have a job and can't totally pay for things, no animal you get is going to TRULY be yours.

But think how great it will be in a few years when you can take all you've learned from this board and all the money you've saved up by getting a job and can really get your very own dog and won't have to worry about what your mom says.
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Old 06-21-2009, 11:45 PM
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Great post FZC!

I have to say, to bring in another dog in your situation (im sorry if this is blunt/rude, but it is how i feel), Would be selfish... Speand the time with padfoot, or your other dogs. You posted the other day that you could keep padfoot in the house as soon as he was bathed And brushed. And i couldnt understand why you were posting it instead of DOING it right away. If it were me he would have been in the tub and being brushed at the same time just so i could get him in faster! Sorry, but that was bothering me and had to put it out there...

The point is. You have 5 dogs! Yes, it wou;d be Nice to have more arround, If you didnt have to pay for food, vet care etc. Heck, id have 100 if time/money wasnt an issue AT ALL.. but i wont be bringing in anymore until i know i am financially ready, and that will be probably, 5 yeards from now. It sucks, because i really want another dog, but im thinking of what is best for keely and The future dog!

Just out of curiousity, is padfoot inside now?
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Old 06-21-2009, 11:55 PM
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I was thinking that Zoom. YOu said it better then i could.

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Old 06-22-2009, 12:03 AM
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i'm sorry but i disagree with you getting a new dog right now. i didn't know what the others were talking about so i read a few other threads of yours.

1.) one of your dogs died of parvo because your mom didn't get its vacs. your other dogs were exposed to parvo and two of them were not up to date with vaccs putting them at risk.

2.) i know this has nothing to do with care or training... but you used the words
My mom got a dog to replace Cindy
i don't even have words to express how i feel about that statement.

3.) these are your words again

mom doesn't train and even keeps them outside, plus I'm not there long enough to train consistently (weekends and some of the summer)

one month of summer is already almost over. what happens when you go back to school and you have stuff to do with friends? any school activities, homework? it doesn't sound like you have enough time to train the dog as you say you do.

4.) i don't want to sound mean right now because i really thought this when i was younger.

until you live in your own place, do most of the training, pay for ALL of the vet and food bills for the dog it's not really yours. it's only yours in words alone.

say your dog gets sick and the vet bill comes up to 600 with just tests no surgery yet. the dog has surgery pushing the bill into the thousands. where is that money coming from? your mom that's where. her money is the only thing that will get the vet to save/help the dog. if it comes down to surgery or put down that will not be your choice.

you need to work with and love the dogs you already have. spoil them. try going for a full year where you love on them and train them. go a full year with them *ALL of them* getting their vet visits and vaccs. and when you are on your own in a place that will let you have a dog that YOU can pay for then you should get your own dog.
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