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Old 06-09-2009, 11:34 AM
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One of my neighbors has a one year old female Merle Aussie (about 22 lbs). They just added another merle female, about 16 weeks - she is very tiny (about 7 lbs). Would this new addition be considered a miniature or even maybe a toy/teacup?
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Old 06-09-2009, 11:38 AM
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Um... I would consider it a puppy? It's only 16 weeks, it's going to get much bigger than 7lbs.
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Old 06-09-2009, 11:39 AM
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The North American Shepherds (also called by some mini aussies) show with us at the RBCO shows-we show the whippets. They don't have toy/teacup.. though NO BREED has teacup. Sometimes really small puppies show up.. I have met some very tiny shelties too.
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Ok, first off, there is NO SUCH THING as a "toy/teacup" Aussie. Those who try to tell you so are typically covering up the fact that they have crossed wildly out of standard Aussies with either super-small Shelties or Pomeranians. They have nothing that makes them an Aussie besides a docked tail.

Neither the ASCA nor the AKC recognize "miniature Aussies". In fact, even the "Mini Aussie Club" is now in the process of changing it's name to "North American Shepherd" because they know they are not breeding Aussies anymore, but something different.

The new addition is probably going to be a very small dog. I wouldn't call it an Aussie though.
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Ok, first off, there is NO SUCH THING as a "toy/teacup" Aussie. Those who try to tell you so are typically covering up the fact that they have crossed wildly out of standard Aussies with either super-small Shelties or Pomeranians. They have nothing that makes them an Aussie besides a docked tail.

Neither the ASCA nor the AKC recognize "miniature Aussies". In fact, even the "Mini Aussie Club" is now in the process of changing it's name to "North American Shepherd" because they know they are not breeding Aussies anymore, but something different.

The new addition is probably going to be a very small dog. I wouldn't call it an Aussie though.
I agree. I see this all too often at the DP. Oh check out my new mini aussie!

I dont understand why people are breeding minis and toys. Well I get that the demand is there. But these breeds were bred specifically for a purpose, and I would think that changing the size of the dog is going to hinder that original purpose.

Bailey is a pocket beagle. When I got her 5 yrs ago (as a rescue sort of- I was her 4th home in her short one year. Her 2nd owner got her from a guy who paid $750.00 for her from a pocket beagle breeder. He didnt like her I guess, and this girl bought her from him, kept her crated 12 hrs a day, and then thought she was too hyper with her jack russell, so she gave her to my ex and his roommate, who then gave her to me when he moved back here. Dont worry shes staying put.) She is 20 pounds, has toothpick legs. Her body is too big for her teeny tiny legs to if you pick her up by her armpits she yelps. Her ears also do not reach her nose as a well bred beagls would. (This actually works to my advantage because Kodys ears need to be cleaned ALL the time and Bailey's stay clean.) She also has bug-eyes lol. I think somewhere she may have been mixed with chihuahua. But who knows- her first owner claimed she was akc certified, but who even knows lol.
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My neighbor was told by the breeder that the puppy was a mini aussie. This new pup is way smaller than her other female was at the same age. Not only is she tiny, she is very small boned - almost Chihuahua like.
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the 22lb aussie sounds like a mini to me as well...The 'new' puppy,,well, she may be a mini and even tho technically there aren't "toy" aussies,,there are people peddling "toy" aussies..to get that small size they seem to be throwing pomeranian/pap/ and whatever else "small" dog to get that small size. Do they look like toy aussies (tiny aussies)? the ones I've seen DO look more like whatever they were mixed with to get that size,,long snipey noses, small heads, buggy eyes,,

Do I condone them? I myself, certainly wouldn't mind a "mini" at some point,,I have alot of friends with them, and I like them ) The toys,,no,,to many variables as to what they are mixed with..just my 2 cents
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My neighbor was told by the breeder that the puppy was a mini aussie. This new pup is way smaller than her other female was at the same age. Not only is she tiny, she is very small boned - almost Chihuahua like.
And the breeder obviously has questionable intentions if they're breeding Aussies so small...
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I agree. I see this all too often at the DP. Oh check out my new mini aussie!

I dont understand why people are breeding minis and toys. Well I get that the demand is there. But these breeds were bred specifically for a purpose, and I would think that changing the size of the dog is going to hinder that original purpose.

Bailey is a pocket beagle. When I got her 5 yrs ago (as a rescue sort of- I was her 4th home in her short one year. Her 2nd owner got her from a guy who paid $750.00 for her from a pocket beagle breeder. He didnt like her I guess, and this girl bought her from him, kept her crated 12 hrs a day, and then thought she was too hyper with her jack russell, so she gave her to my ex and his roommate, who then gave her to me when he moved back here. Dont worry shes staying put.) She is 20 pounds, has toothpick legs. Her body is too big for her teeny tiny legs to if you pick her up by her armpits she yelps. Her ears also do not reach her nose as a well bred beagls would. (This actually works to my advantage because Kodys ears need to be cleaned ALL the time and Bailey's stay clean.) She also has bug-eyes lol. I think somewhere she may have been mixed with chihuahua. But who knows- her first owner claimed she was akc certified, but who even knows lol.
This is off topic but how does someone spend $750 on a dog and then just give it away?
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There are "true" Mini Aussies... Australian Shepherds who are simply under standard. But when you get under 15"/25 lbs it becomes evident that the dogs are nothing more than designer mixes who money-grubbing breeders try (and fail) to pass as purebred, undersized Aussies.

An under standard "Mini Aussie":


An Aussie mixed with Pom/Chi/whatever and passed off as a "Toy Aussie":


If the dog has a domed head, bulgy eyes, snippy muzzle, fly-away ears, fine bone, and/or a generally flighty, nervous temperament and no signs of herding instinct or a biddable temperament... you can rest assured that "Toy Aussie" is just a cute name for a mixed breed. 7 lbs at 16 weeks is about the weight of a large Pomeranian! IMHO, a 12 lb dog is going to have some trouble working cattle. Why do people do this?! Why not get a freakin' toy dog and leave working breeds alone?
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