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Old 06-07-2009, 06:08 PM
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a cougar isn't really a good idea. even though they are genetically a small cat, they don't tame down like the bobs & lynxes do. the bob is especially social and when bottle raised from an early age is extremely affectionate & social w/ it's owner and far more consistantly so than most housecat breeds. the cougar OTH although often affectionate & manageable is more like housecats in that many are just plain antisocial. even among the ones that seem manageable it is not uncommon for them to totally turn w/ no warning what so ever. this is very rare among the bobs & lynxes. further they are generally smart enough to learn everything the smartest housecats can and then some. they don't require much more than a housecat in the way of care, a little raw when you can get it, a bigger litter box, a bigger perch, a good scratching post and a weekly walk on leash are about it.
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Old 06-07-2009, 06:16 PM
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a cougar isn't really a good idea. even though they are genetically a small cat, they don't tame down like the bobs & lynxes do. the bob is especially social and when bottle raised from an early age is extremely affectionate & social w/ it's owner and far more consistantly so than most housecat breeds. the cougar OTH although often affectionate & manageable is more like housecats in that many are just plain antisocial. even among the ones that seem manageable it is not uncommon for them to totally turn w/ no warning what so ever. this is very rare among the bobs & lynxes. further they are generally smart enough to learn everything the smartest housecats can and then some. they don't require much more than a housecat in the way of care, a little raw when you can get it, a bigger litter box, a bigger perch, a good scratching post and a weekly walk on leash are about it.
Wild animals should not be "tamed" into house pets. Never mind the fact that a bobcat as a pet is ridiculous, she is going to be renting a place. How many landlords are going to say "Sure, bring BOBCAT into my house! No boxers or german shepherds, but bobcats are fine".

That said...Fran, I think it would be very wise to do your first year without a pet. It is SUCH a huge transition going to college, and you really want to be able to focus on your classes and social life and get acclimated to the workload and gain friends. Freshman year is tough enough for most people that they don't need the added work of taking care of an animal. If all goes well, you can bring Kenya back sophomore year, and/or get a cat then.

Besides, weren't you getting a ferret? Is that coming with you? Or are you not doing that anymore?
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Old 06-08-2009, 12:28 AM
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Wild animals should not be "tamed" into house pets.
if you believe in evolution then your statement is hypocritically ridiculous, since according to evilution all our pets are bred down from tamed down wild animals.
OTH if you're a devout creationist, then i must point out that man has already successfully used his dominion over the animals to tame down wild animals for pets, specifically over half a dozen rodents, ferrets, sugar gliders, rabbits, parrots, parakeets, raptors, hedgehogs, foxes & cats (and many others i can't think of off the top of my head) are kept as pets that haven't had a wild ancestor for more than 10 generations (in some case more than 1000 generations) and are genetically distinct from their wild ancestors. further the successful keeping of wildlife as pets is a common occurance older than EVERY nation currently in existance.
of the newest animals the various lynxes (including bobs) and foxes are some of the easiest to deal w/ since their needs are similar to more familiar more domesticated animals.

while not a good fit for everyone, they are still options to be considered but most especially by a single pet home.
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Old 06-08-2009, 01:40 AM
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if you believe in evolution then your statement is hypocritically ridiculous, since according to evilution all our pets are bred down from tamed down wild animals.
OTH if you're a devout creationist, then i must point out that man has already successfully used his dominion over the animals to tame down wild animals for pets, specifically over half a dozen rodents, ferrets, sugar gliders, rabbits, parrots, parakeets, raptors, hedgehogs, foxes & cats (and many others i can't think of off the top of my head) are kept as pets that haven't had a wild ancestor for more than 10 generations (in some case more than 1000 generations) and are genetically distinct from their wild ancestors. further the successful keeping of wildlife as pets is a common occurance older than EVERY nation currently in existance.
of the newest animals the various lynxes (including bobs) and foxes are some of the easiest to deal w/ since their needs are similar to more familiar more domesticated animals.

while not a good fit for everyone, they are still options to be considered but most especially by a single pet home.
I agree with pops about this.

Also, I used to be a member of the Phoenix Exotic Wildlife Association, devoted to fighting species specific legislation (and BSL, we weren't picky )

Many of the members kept large and small cats. About the following:

Bobcats are fantastic pets for very special people. By special, I mean, they don't mind that their bob sprays everywhere, because they will no matter if they are altered of not. And bob spray will make your eyes water. I know of one guy whose bob decided that the hallway to the bathroom was HIS territory, and his owner had to go through a ritual of submissive posturing in order to get permission to pass through every time he wanted to use the bathroom. However, that did not bother him. To him it was worth the sacrifice to have an incredibly special relationship with his animal, and vice versa. I know another old man with three 28 year old bobs, from the same litter. Those cats were his life, and the same back.

Lynxs I think are better. They tend to spray less, and naturally defecate in running water so you can actually train them to use your toilet and flush. The biggest drawback to a lynx is that they bond so strongly to their human keepers, that if you ever had to rehome it, you die, send it to a sanctuary, etc. it would literally starve itself to death pining for you. Basically, don't get one unless you KNOW you can keep it forever, and be prepared to euthanize if something unforeseeable happens because the alternative for the cat is much worse.

Cougar, at best are unpredictable. The president of the club had three, all littermates. Two of them she absolutely could not ever trust. Ever. They were housed in deluxe acre+ outdoor enclosures with heated buildings that would make most zoos jealous. The awesome one, Jake, was just awesome. He lived in the house with her most times. She told me the mistake she made with the other two, that she avoided with Jake, was playing dangly yarn/cat toy type games with them. That is how they learn to hunt, and if you are part of that hunting game the chance they will one day slip and injure/kill you is MUCH greater. With Jake, she yowled in pain any time his teeth or paws EVER touched her. He thinks she is made of sugar, and treats her accordingly.

According to her, adolescent cougars go through a phase where they play "hot lava" for a couple of months. Meaning, your floor is hot lava and they can NOT touch it. Which results in destroyed furniture and broken TVs. That is the point where most are given up by undedicated keepers.

The best candidates, IMO if someone is seriously interested in exotic cats, are servals and caracals. They are very dog like, a manageable size, and trainable. One of the members had a caracal who worked as a therapy animal at a VA in New York. She was very good at what she did.

Personally I will never have a big cat, but it's not up for me to decide if people keeping them is right or wrong. Wrong for most people, but the right people..It would blow your mind if you could see the relationship those people have with their cats, and the way they house their exotics. They get better housing and treatment than big cats at zoos, besides the fact that they are not subject to be ogled by random strange humans. Most people have a hard time believing some people can coexist with them like that, but then again those people never make the news...just like the good pit bulls never make the news.
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Old 06-08-2009, 02:22 AM
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Wow Romy, that is so interesting. I've always liked big cats but there arn't any here so people don't really have them as pets.

We had a pet wallaby for a while, we ended up giving her to a more profesional carer when it got too hard to give her what she needed. She had a huge impact on me though and I'd love to have a pet wallaby one day. Sheila really was cool, very high maintenance because we had her as a baby. She had to come everywhere with us. Work, shopping, visiting etc. She jumped out of her bag in a restaurant once, that was interesting.
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Old 06-08-2009, 02:36 AM
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Sorry about the exotic cat hijack. Here's some answers to your questions:

1. Is it OK to only have 1 cat..will it get lonely without any other kitty friends? kittens are on sale at the shelter for $35 for 2
Some cats like a friend, and some cats will try to destroy others. Our cat likes being an only cat. She gets very bent out of shape if other cats are around.

2. I want a long haired cat.. its just something ive always wanted lol what kind of grooming is necesary?
Something with really long fur like a Persian would benefit from being brushed. Otherwise they tend to get hairballs from grooming themselves and ingesting the longer hairs. Another thing that is useful is feeding pineapple enzyme for breaking up hairballs in the stomach.

3. Kitten or adult cat? Im going to be adopting from the shelter. which do you think its best?
I don't like kittens as they are spastic, and you can give them all the love and butt kissing in the world and they might still turn out to be antisocial jerks. Like Sammy...There are tons of sweet adults who need homes, just check craigslist some time.

4. What is a good kind of litter/box? ill be living in an apartment
Whatever the cat prefers. Some like covered ones. Some like open ones. Make sure it is deep and has a rubber mat underneath, because litter will probably get thrown out at some point.

5. i dont want it to be bored..what kinds of toys and things should I buy?
People always want to buy stuff, but cats love playing with mundane things. Brown paper bags, zip ties, bottles and bottle caps, etc. Twist ties with feathers twisted on...the possibilties are endless

6. People with cats..do they like you? do they cuddle with you? my cats just kind of hang around.. but maybe thats because they are indoor/outdoor and weren't really raised with us. I want a loving pet
My cat is evil and hates me. She's violent. But my past cats were very loving and snuggly. My best one was gotten as a teenage kitten. With an adult you will know better what it is/will be like.

7. What is a high quality cat food?
Solid Gold makes good cat food. Cats are very inexpensive to feed raw to/supplement, because they are small.The one Sammy does best on is the Natures Logic rabbit formula. It's good to get wet food into them if you can, because they tend not to drink as much and the high protein they need puts strain on the kidneys. That is another benefit to raw as well.

8. i will be a student.. so i wont be home 24/7. but since im prevet I am gonna be spending a lot of time in my room studying. but for when im not home.. what are some things I should have to keep kitty entertained? and keep her/him from scratching up my furniture?
Adult cats pretty much sleep all day and keep themselves entertained. That's what is so great about them. I think they are a much better choice as a pet for students than dogs. Less maintenance. Strictly indoor cats need appropriate scratching places, and seem to enjoy shredding potted plants. I think the big box pet stores carry potted grass for them.
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1. Is it OK to only have 1 cat..will it get lonely without any other kitty friends? kittens are on sale at the shelter for $35 for 2
A single cat should be fine. Angry Puss despises other cats, but is the perfect single.

2. I want a long haired cat.. its just something ive always wanted lol what kind of grooming is necesary?
Angry Puss is a Persian, so his grooming needs are extreme. When he was in show coat, I had to brust 3x per day to prevent mats. Now that we have a nice lion cut, I just have to brush the head

3. Kitten or adult cat? Im going to be adopting from the shelter. which do you think its best?
I prefer adult, but I'm not into baby animals of any kind.
4. What is a good kind of litter/box? ill be living in an apartment
AP has a regular box, but the pine litter is a godsend. He was neutered very late and his urine was extremely strong smelling. The pine litter keeps my very small apartment from reeking of pee.

5. i dont want it to be bored..what kinds of toys and things should I buy?
Tin foil balls for when you are not home. When you are home, get a laser pointer. AP is insane for the red dot, even though he knows it comes out of the end of the pointer.


6. People with cats..do they like you? do they cuddle with you? my cats just kind of hang around.. but maybe thats because they are indoor/outdoor and weren't really raised with us. I want a loving pet
Depends. AP is not a huge cuddler, but he does like to sit next to me and be scratched.

7. What is a high quality cat food?
I feed Innova's ancestoral diet. No complaints at all.

8. i will be a student.. so i wont be home 24/7. but since im prevet I am gonna be spending a lot of time in my room studying. but for when im not home.. what are some things I should have to keep kitty entertained? and keep her/him from scratching up my furniture?
AP has a climbing structure that doesn't take up much space. We bought it at Target and you put it together, so if you need to take it down it doesn't take up as much space. He plays in it all the time. As far as scratching goes, I would clip the claws. They make little fake nails called "Soft Paws" but it is a total hassle to get them on. The one time I tried, I glued myself to the soft paw, the cat, and the table.

Good luck with whatever you choose!
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ive always kind of overlooked cats as pets.but recently I met a very friendly cuddly playful one.. and since im moving into an apartment that allows 1 cat. the more I think about it, the more i think that id like a low maintenance feline friend to hang out with me when im stuck in my room studying

1. Is it OK to only have 1 cat..will it get lonely without any other kitty friends? kittens are on sale at the shelter for $35 for 2

I have had kitties for years, I think my first cat would have been very happy to be on her own, I think if you get one and just dont get another it would be fine growing up solo.


2. I want a long haired cat.. its just something ive always wanted lol what kind of grooming is necesary?
Depends on type of coat, I had long hairs for yrs, just needed to comb them, daily would have been good but I didnt do that often but they never had mats. Now I have a furminator comb, kind of like stripping comb... Missy loves it.


3. Kitten or adult cat? Im going to be adopting from the shelter. which do you think its best?

KIttens can be curious and get into things, maybe I have selective memory but other then Tachie chewing paper when she got closet open dont remember any difficulties from kittenhood. Several of mine teethed on rawhide strips until Missy, she liked fetching so the others couldnt chew the rawhide, she kept stealing the strips for her own use.
Cats are easier then dogs tho when it comes to raising.

4. What is a good kind of litter/box? ill be living in an apartment
Hands down Worlds Best Kitty litter, Natures Miracle litters good also. Used to use basic clay but have heard it can cause health problems, switched when Missy was little and shes 15 with no health issues other then penchant for typing with me

5. i dont want it to be bored..what kinds of toys and things should I buy?

Some say adult cats dont play with toys but Missy still does, I find all cats like chasing lights, think flashlight. Most like balls or soft toys they can sit on and kick. teasers, poles with a toy tied on it, are always good too, but dont leave it in reach as they can swallow the string. Mylar teasers were loved by my guys... over years.
and yes foil balls are good, just wrap em tight and they will be fetched. often have had to put them in drawer so I could sleep LOL


6. People with cats..do they like you? do they cuddle with you? my cats just kind of hang around.. but maybe thats because they are indoor/outdoor and weren't really raised with us. I want a loving pet
Taking Missys ear out of my mouth... cuddle? cats? lol Missy sits in my lap any chance she gets, my kids have all been lap cats. I remember lying on couch with sneakers(16 lbs)on chest, tigger(10 lbs) lower lap and my freckles (8 lbs)across my ankles...
As for Missy shes very much a mommas girl, sits on my chest if I lean back far enough...sleeps on my head.
I think if you raise a kitty inside only they are more apt to be cuddlers.


7. What is a high quality cat food?
Most foods that make quality dog foods make quality cat foods. Prairie and Instinct, Wellness, Halo, are a few.

8. i will be a student.. so i wont be home 24/7. but since im prevet I am gonna be spending a lot of time in my room studying. but for when im not home.. what are some things I should have to keep kitty entertained? and keep her/him from scratching up my furniture?
Get a scratching post first, also a variety.. some cats love sisal I have been told, my kids all liked carpeted posts. If can contain cat safely away from couch while training that helps, with first cats we had door between living room and bedrooms/bathrooms so that was open just if we were home... for yrs tho we didnt have that option, but that worked ok too.. try to push treats into carpeting so kitty works to get them out and learns to scratch on post, and also play with him or her by post. running fingers around post and making them disappear builds hunting instinct for kitty, just make sure you clip nails...
As for Romys suggestion on toys... yes paper bag with handles removed is good but be careful with small paper clips and such. Wine corks and ping pong balls can be good tho.
Be careful with string like objects, cats tongues are barbed so once they have string part down throat it physically CANT spit it out even if it wants to and could end up with emergency surgery.



so answer some questions, tell me about your cat, post pictures.. w/e!
Missy present kitty


Freckles a rescue, we THOUGHT he was shorthair when we found him.


Tachie first kitty, who taught us get scratching post BEFORE the kitty


Sneakers half maine coon half himalayan

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