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I, personally, have had tremendous success with crating my dog. It has made potty training soo much easier. She loves it in there. She naps in it whether we put her in there or not, she hides her toys and bones under her blanket. Wild dogs sleep in dens, small dark places. A crate is part of a dog's natural environment. It makes them feel safe. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but I don't think crates are bad at all.
 
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Okay, number one, I don't make my dogs sit in their pee. I mean, if thats what makes their boat float... but I don't leave them in a crate all day. Some people do, and it is fine as long as they are giving the dogs enough exercise to keep them happy.

Second, I work to be able to give my dogs the best life possible. If I didn't work full time, how could I get Harley and Dakota neutered? How could I make sure that they get their shots?

Third, I have alot of respect for stay-at-home moms. Sometimes, an angry child is just as much work as an angry co-worker. Heather (yuckaduck) is a stay at home mom (I think, correct me if I'm wrong) and Lisa (German Sheperd Gurl) was one until she found a job! They are both fabulous people. I have an enormous amount of respect for them.

In all, we need to make sacrifices for our dogs, so they need to make sacrifices for us.
 
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Where i am, crating is a very rare thing to do, its only recently that crates are available in pet stores and most people have never heard of crating their dog, i was one until I became a member of dog forums, I think it can be a good idea if used correctly. But for most people here they have to have a room to leave their puppy In, and NO WAY COULD IT BE LEFT FOR HOURS NOT UNLESS YOU ARE HAPPY WITH A WRECKED HOUSE, now what would those of you with dogs that you leave do? I know that I wont even consider having a dog/puppy if someone is not home most of the day, having a puppy then leaving it alone when it has grown up and got past the really important socialisation part of its life is a much better arrangement, i wonder how many puppy's are in rescue centres because they were left and got behaviour problems because of this, also people mustn't forget that different breeds will cope differently with being left, so one dog may do ok in this situation but anothers would not
 
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My dog is never left in her crate for more than 3 hours, except at night and she sleeps all night. We didn't start leaving her in her crate all night until she was 6 months old. Until then, she stayed in the kitchen. When we were sure she had the bladder control to handle it, that's when we started crating her at night. We're night owls, so she's up with us until 1 or 2 a.m. and we get up at 6:30, so even at night it's only 4 or 5 hours. Like I said, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and every dog is different. It works for us.

This is one of the many resources I used when crate training our doggie:

http://www.inch.com/~dogs/cratetraining.html

I know this isn't really a thread about how to crate train your dog, but I feel I need to also mention that proper choice of a crate is very important. Recently I read about dogs getting hurt in the type of crate that is collapsable. Wal-mart sells them. The crate can collapse on your dog and could possibly kill them. A better choice would be one that is all one piece except for the door.
 
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Well I don't disagree about leaving a puppy alone for that long is not good for them. But to say that anyone who works shouldn't have a dog is just stupid. You think Teddy would be better off if I got rid of him just because I now have to work a full time job? He is still technically a puppy (1 year old) but he has lots of bladder control lol he is not laying in his own urine. I have seen him sleep 12 hours straight without waking up to have to pee (and that was not in his crate that was on the bed sleeping with us) I am not going to get rid of him just because I have to work for a living. Not everyone has access to someone who just has that kinda spare time that they can just come over and take your dog for a walk and whatever you wish of them and not everyone has the money for doggy day care. Do you think I LIKE to work and leave my dog at home? lmfao
 
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I just read this whole thread. I have some comments:

I work and go to school. My son will help out because his schedule is different than mine but there will be stretches where the dogs will be in their wire cages with crates inside.

My important comment has to do with the way posts are being written here, however. Those who point out that we need to try to get help if we can to let our dogs out for a while, even if we have to work, are making good points.

Some comments here are just plain incendiary. This board, from what I see, is here to provide fellowship and advoce to dog owners. Those who respond to another with good advice in a helpful way will not only be helping the owner, they will be helping the dog as well.
I have received valuable advice about dog foods here and am going to make a change to a better food that will be good for my dogs. The advice given me was helpful and meant to communicate, not put me down for the kind of food I am feeding now.

Here, I see two kinds of posts: those that point out good information and give helpful advice, and those which are opinionated statements meant as challenges and not designed to help at all.

The former type will produce informed owners and happier dogs. The latter breeds dissension and does not lead to good change.

Those who disengenuously state something like 'I HAVE to call it like I see it' are trolling for arguments; one can see that there are positive advisers here who can clearly say what they think is best for the dog without making a value judgment on the owner, thus giving said owner a way to change and accept the offered advice.

I believe that this is an outstanding board, and I think that people should be able to come forth and honestly present their dog problems and challenges and get good and helpful advice back. It need not be sugar coated, but I feel it should be presented in a way that allows positive change by those who are asking the questions.

After all, the really poor dog owners don't come to boards like this, they don't care and don't bother. If someone looks to any of us here for help by posting here, let's give it; and in a way that the owner will be able to absorb it: the dog's life might not change for the better the next day, but if someone sticks around here on Chazhound long enough, their dogs WILL have a better life because of it, there are good and dedicated people here that have a lot to give in the way of guidance and advice..
 
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Crates are a tool. Quite necessary for me in a multi dog household. Showing dogs, crates are also necessary. My dogs always travel in crates in the vehicle for their own safety.

It prevents many upsets and dangerous situations for puppies. It gives puppies a place for naps and to wind down when they get over excited. It helps in housetraining.

Crate trained dogs can be easier to travel with, and many times are welcomed to hotels and as house guests where their uncrated counterparts may not be.

A crate trained dog has his home away from home right along with him where he can relax and be out of the way if necessary.

In addition, dogs who must be confined due to illness, injury, or surgery have much less stress if they have been crate trained.

Crates, like any training tool or aid, are only as good or bad as the person using them.

Dogs should not live in crate.

Wisely used, they can be a marvelous training aid and stress reducer in some multi dog households.

JMO as always.
 
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Okay, I find myself itching to comment... so here goes.

If someone can manage to be financially stable enough to stay at home with their children, then I think that's great.

I know that my mother would have loved to be able to do that, but on 2 teacher's salaries (both mom and dad), with a morgage payment, bills, a dog, car payments, and everything that goes with them, my mom couldn't afford to stay home with me. My mom got 6 weeks of maternity leave, and then went straight back to work. I went to the babysitter's from about 7:30AM to 4:30PM, and when I was older was in daycare for the same hours. Our chocolate lab was at home during those hours, and we never had any problems with her.

Do I work? No, not right now. With my class schedule and homework/studying it is almost impossible. From 8:30 in the morning to 5:30 at night on some days. I have some breaks in there, and I am lucky enough to be able to come home and spend a few hours in the middle.

I honestly think that work or school does not equal bad ownership. Yes, perhaps it makes it a bit harder, what with trying to schedule things around time with your dog. But, more importantly, it CAN be done. All of our dogs were raised on a working schedule, and they lacked for nothing.

Tusker has been our first attempt at crating, and he loves his own little "quiet place". It has saved us quite a bit of money, since we would not be able to afford paying the rental office for any damages (since they seem to charge far more than anything is worth. $50 for a slightly bent cheap metal towel rack?) It has helped tremendously with housebreaking as well. He naps, sleeps, chews his bones, and even takes his treats there to eat them. Once we moved his crate when people were over, gave him a treat, and he layed down EXACTLY where his crate usually is to eat it. Personally I am a huge advocate of crate-training, when it is used properly.

Okay, I think I've gone on long enough...for those who managed to make it all the way through, thanks for reading my senseless ramblings!
 
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lucille said:
I just read this whole thread. I have some comments:

I work and go to school. My son will help out because his schedule is different than mine but there will be stretches where the dogs will be in their wire cages with crates inside.

My important comment has to do with the way posts are being written here, however. Those who point out that we need to try to get help if we can to let our dogs out for a while, even if we have to work, are making good points.

Some comments here are just plain incendiary. This board, from what I see, is here to provide fellowship and advoce to dog owners. Those who respond to another with good advice in a helpful way will not only be helping the owner, they will be helping the dog as well.
I have received valuable advice about dog foods here and am going to make a change to a better food that will be good for my dogs. The advice given me was helpful and meant to communicate, not put me down for the kind of food I am feeding now.

Here, I see two kinds of posts: those that point out good information and give helpful advice, and those which are opinionated statements meant as challenges and not designed to help at all.

The former type will produce informed owners and happier dogs. The latter breeds dissension and does not lead to good change.

Those who disengenuously state something like 'I HAVE to call it like I see it' are trolling for arguments; one can see that there are positive advisers here who can clearly say what they think is best for the dog without making a value judgment on the owner, thus giving said owner a way to change and accept the offered advice.

I believe that this is an outstanding board, and I think that people should be able to come forth and honestly present their dog problems and challenges and get good and helpful advice back. It need not be sugar coated, but I feel it should be presented in a way that allows positive change by those who are asking the questions.

After all, the really poor dog owners don't come to boards like this, they don't care and don't bother. If someone looks to any of us here for help by posting here, let's give it; and in a way that the owner will be able to absorb it: the dog's life might not change for the better the next day, but if someone sticks around here on Chazhound long enough, their dogs WILL have a better life because of it, there are good and dedicated people here that have a lot to give in the way of guidance and advice..
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Great post! ;)
 
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yuckaduck said:
What makes you think the puppy or dog is sitting in urine. That is why the litter box paper training was suggested. I think you are just interested in creating controversy because it makes no sense to me. PTS because someone works, get real! How would anyone pay for the dog food, vet bills and toys if they did not work?
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I agree with you. It's not way we as people can live and have dogs and not work!..It sounds good and all but we are living in the real life here. I have two dogs and when I'm at work, they stay home three days out of the week. The other two days, their in doggy daycare. Not everyone is able to stay home or put their dogs in daycare. My husband works at a plastic surgery center and I'm a probation office and maintaining my own dog boutique business. We are business but our dogs NEVER EVER go with our attention. We have to work in order to be good pet owners. I think things are different for each person. But it doesn't make us a bad pet owner.
 
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There is nothing sadder to me than a 6 week old infant being dumped in a daycare to be raised by strangers so the parent can pursure their "career." Afterall, it's all about what they want right? People say "I can't afford to stay home." Well, in some situations i.e. single parent etc. that may be the case but it really comes down to people who are just not willing to sacrifice and cut costs so that they CAN stay home. .
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How offensive is that?!? My daughter went to daycare at 6 weeks, thank you very much-and I surely didn't feel like I was dumping her off. Would I have liked to stay home? Sure. But I was in the military and they wouldn't let me out to stay home. And even if they WOULD have....because I put my child in daycare doesn't make me a bad parent. And being a stay-at-home mom doesn't make you a better parent, either. (I am at home with my youngest now, btw-have been for the past 18 months since he was born).
 
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Wow! so I never should have had a dog at all? there is rarely a time in my 22 years were there were not times I was gone eight hours every day,at least. My schedule is diffrent because of college but now there are times when I am gone from 10 am till almost midnight. the dogs manage somehow. I never had a pup that didn't get potty trained around my school schedule which was usually 7am to three. Most families would not be able to hav edogs if we had to let them out forty times a day.
 
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Posted by Lucille:
Those who disengenuously state something like 'I HAVE to call it like I see it' are trolling for arguments; one can see that there are positive advisers here who can clearly say what they think is best for the dog without making a value judgment on the owner, thus giving said owner a way to change and accept the offered advice.
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Thank you! I've often felt that making statements about one's need to "call it like I see it" are nothing more than excuses to be rude.
 
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Wow, this post has been going on forever! Well, since I was one of the people that was "featured" in this post, I thought I would provide an update on poor Leo, the Puppy kenneled for 20+ hrs a day (I haven't re-read everything, I just remember it being something like that). Well, surprisingly enough, Leo is alive and doing well. He is no longer kenneled at all and doesn't need to be. He doesn't potty in the house and he doesn't trash the place (although he has recently developed a liking for the garbage can, I figure it is because he can actually reach it now!). I don't regret having him kenneled like I did and he doesn't seem to be having any adverse reactions to it. People have to do what they have to do. I have 3 children all "raised" in daycare. They all know I am their mom and what I say goes. I would love nothing more then to be a stay at home mom (actually one of my life long dreams!), but it really IS impossible. I am the primary money maker in my home and I figure my children, my cats & my puppy would rather have me leave them for a few hours to go to work every day then to live on the streets.

I find it interesting how this post has changed so much since it was originally posted. New members, new perspectives I guess!

Off to bed with me, Santa is coming!!!
 
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