Well someone on chaz posted a do it all dog thread
In which I stated the GSD does it all and it does.
But dogs are created for a reason and for special tasks.
Guard dogs are specialists and are obtained by people who want protection first - pet 2nd...
THus the dogs you listed are much more of a PET and to someone who wants in they are nothing but a fly to swat.
But for the burgler looking for a quick robbery they tend to stay away from apartments that make noise. Thus a toy terrier can make many think twice about coming to your apt vs the next doors that have a cat.
In which I stated the GSD does it all and it does.
But dogs are created for a reason and for special tasks.
Guard dogs are specialists and are obtained by people who want protection first - pet 2nd...
THus the dogs you listed are much more of a PET and to someone who wants in they are nothing but a fly to swat.
But for the burgler looking for a quick robbery they tend to stay away from apartments that make noise. Thus a toy terrier can make many think twice about coming to your apt vs the next doors that have a cat.
Be careful with Boxers. They're great dogs, but for the first 3-4 years of their lives, they are WIRED. The energy levels would be a concern, I'd think.
I live with one who is a terrific, lazy companion and a convincing guard dog, but he's just settled down in the last couple years, and he's 8 years old.
I live with one who is a terrific, lazy companion and a convincing guard dog, but he's just settled down in the last couple years, and he's 8 years old.
Most guardian dogs do not do well in apart setings because of
1. Noise complaints
2. They need allot of exercise first few years to grow up in a yard and then make transition to a apt.
3. They may protect you from your Mail man
4. They require allot of socializing other wise they are a liability
5. They can live 10-15 years and even thou u may not care about shedding.
Your future mate or friend may.
6. In Some cities they require special insurance.
7. Most aparts do not like dogs let alone guardian breeds.
8. Guardian dogs are normally large thus comes a whole thing on health issues that can cost money to maintain.
9. They can get bored when nothing is done but barking and redirect this frustration on your belongings.
10. Boarding - vacations - 911 things are hard to handle when you have a guard dog.
Thus 10 reasons not to have a real guard dog in a apart.
Best of luck in your choice.
If you ever get a small yard pls post I will send some Molosser rescues your way .
1. Noise complaints
2. They need allot of exercise first few years to grow up in a yard and then make transition to a apt.
3. They may protect you from your Mail man
4. They require allot of socializing other wise they are a liability
5. They can live 10-15 years and even thou u may not care about shedding.
Your future mate or friend may.
6. In Some cities they require special insurance.
7. Most aparts do not like dogs let alone guardian breeds.
8. Guardian dogs are normally large thus comes a whole thing on health issues that can cost money to maintain.
9. They can get bored when nothing is done but barking and redirect this frustration on your belongings.
10. Boarding - vacations - 911 things are hard to handle when you have a guard dog.
Thus 10 reasons not to have a real guard dog in a apart.
Best of luck in your choice.
If you ever get a small yard pls post I will send some Molosser rescues your way .
B
I don't know if I agree with that. If protection is their number 1 priority they'd buy a gun before buying a dog. Easier to maintain, less upkeep, less expense. If they buy a guarding breed they buy it for pet 1st, protection 2nd, or at least that's the way it should be.
I really do believe a boxer would protect their owner if the occasion called for it, and that's one of the breeds I listed.
I really do believe a boxer would protect their owner if the occasion called for it, and that's one of the breeds I listed.
B
Again, it doesn't have to be a breed that most people first think of when you say "guardian breeds"
So I could rescue an adult.
So people with houses don't have mail mans? It is my understanding that most apartments have a area, either at the side of the road or in a comins area, where the mail is deposited into small mail boxes, or atleast the ones around here do. Either way, it doesn't matter.
Like I said before, I am going to be doing obediance classes with this dog. I've done a obediance class with my papillon.
If they do they aren't moving in, or I'm not going to move in with them. This sinerio can happen with any breed, not just protection dogs in apartments.
I'm very aware of that. I know it depends on the breed. Some breeds are banned altogether. Some have to be fixed. Certain breeds can't be sold in some counties. Some insuranses won't cover certain breeds. Many apartments won't allow certain breeds, etc.................
I know all about it. I am not the average animal lover. I will move mountains to get/keep the best dog for my lifestyle. I will not buy a breed that doesn't fit my needs and/or I can't fit its needs.
I'm aware of the expense. I'm going to start a seperate savings account for vet bills before I get my dog. Like I said before, this is still a few years down the road. I have lots of time to save up.
And so can any other breed, living in a apartment or not.
I'm personally against boarding. My dog(s) are my family. They are either going to stay with a trusted friend, or they are going to come on vacation with me.
So I could rescue an adult.
So people with houses don't have mail mans? It is my understanding that most apartments have a area, either at the side of the road or in a comins area, where the mail is deposited into small mail boxes, or atleast the ones around here do. Either way, it doesn't matter.
Like I said before, I am going to be doing obediance classes with this dog. I've done a obediance class with my papillon.
If they do they aren't moving in, or I'm not going to move in with them. This sinerio can happen with any breed, not just protection dogs in apartments.
I'm very aware of that. I know it depends on the breed. Some breeds are banned altogether. Some have to be fixed. Certain breeds can't be sold in some counties. Some insuranses won't cover certain breeds. Many apartments won't allow certain breeds, etc.................
I know all about it. I am not the average animal lover. I will move mountains to get/keep the best dog for my lifestyle. I will not buy a breed that doesn't fit my needs and/or I can't fit its needs.
I'm aware of the expense. I'm going to start a seperate savings account for vet bills before I get my dog. Like I said before, this is still a few years down the road. I have lots of time to save up.
And so can any other breed, living in a apartment or not.
I'm personally against boarding. My dog(s) are my family. They are either going to stay with a trusted friend, or they are going to come on vacation with me.
This is super hard advice to give someone since each and every dog is it's own individual...even if bred to be a certain way, not all dogs will follow those "you're supposed to be like this" rules. If I were you I'd keep your mind open to a "non" purebreed. I'd get them at a young enough age where you can still do some of the imprinting yourself to shape their behavior in the manner you'd like...or as much as a dog can be shaped by a human 
I'd say shepherd or pitt mix would be a great dog for your needs, however a young one would definately have some energy. In my experience I've seen Rotts do well in an apartment setting (of course with regular exersise) and they will scare the poop out of any unsuspecting intruder with their bark alone.
I'd say shepherd or pitt mix would be a great dog for your needs, however a young one would definately have some energy. In my experience I've seen Rotts do well in an apartment setting (of course with regular exersise) and they will scare the poop out of any unsuspecting intruder with their bark alone.
Is it? or does it just take more research than poping out a list of tradional guard breeds?
I'd say it is, JUST doing reasearch IS going to give you a result of traditional gaurd breeds. If you want a gaurd dog, that's an obvious list to start with. We are just giving you our opinions that go along with our experiences...just what you asked for
I'd say it is, JUST doing reasearch IS going to give you a result of traditional gaurd breeds. If you want a gaurd dog, that's an obvious list to start with. We are just giving you our opinions that go along with our experiences...just what you asked for
Look after 30 years of rescue and years of breeding GUARDIAN dogs.
IM not going to debate you.
The following are facts
IMO I was a wrestler, bouncer amd U/c investigator for NY.
AND i CAN PROTECT myself in prime 5"9 176lbs 14 biceps and I still have a proven guardian breed for home protection.
Guns are NOT easier to get then dogs FACT!.
You need a special lic of hands guns most of which are not approved.
They are considered more dangerous to have around kids then dogs .
Why most families have dogs vs guns or BOTH.
The gun does NOT guard your home when you are NOT there.
Most woman attacks are when you come HOME to the bad guy.
What good is a gun _ Carry permits are even harder to get .
Will a Boxer protect ?sure farm collies have done that for years.
Difference is Man work fighting off a man majority of Boxers will NOT hold be able to do damage or hold long enough for you to escape.
And no guardian breeds are NOT like others in damage or rescue.
They are BIGGER thus damage is bigger .
And maybe you need to read about the attack in CA with Diane Whipple to understand the liability to having guardians breeds in apt's.
Re to rescue guardian breeds are PTS 5x more than other breeds for more reasons than i can list.
Anyone who has DONE real guardian rescue understands this.
We dont have enough Schnoodles in our shelters to meet the needs.
But we PTS guardian breeds every DAY!.
To anyone who wishes to listen.
Real guardian dogs bred and kept for protection have the ability to KILL Man.
Thus the owners requirements are much much higher than for the average breed than can guard.
This is what separates them.
Good luck on your choice
Jeannine D OUT
IM not going to debate you.
The following are facts
IMO I was a wrestler, bouncer amd U/c investigator for NY.
AND i CAN PROTECT myself in prime 5"9 176lbs 14 biceps and I still have a proven guardian breed for home protection.
Guns are NOT easier to get then dogs FACT!.
You need a special lic of hands guns most of which are not approved.
They are considered more dangerous to have around kids then dogs .
Why most families have dogs vs guns or BOTH.
The gun does NOT guard your home when you are NOT there.
Most woman attacks are when you come HOME to the bad guy.
What good is a gun _ Carry permits are even harder to get .
Will a Boxer protect ?sure farm collies have done that for years.
Difference is Man work fighting off a man majority of Boxers will NOT hold be able to do damage or hold long enough for you to escape.
And no guardian breeds are NOT like others in damage or rescue.
They are BIGGER thus damage is bigger .
And maybe you need to read about the attack in CA with Diane Whipple to understand the liability to having guardians breeds in apt's.
Re to rescue guardian breeds are PTS 5x more than other breeds for more reasons than i can list.
Anyone who has DONE real guardian rescue understands this.
We dont have enough Schnoodles in our shelters to meet the needs.
But we PTS guardian breeds every DAY!.
To anyone who wishes to listen.
Real guardian dogs bred and kept for protection have the ability to KILL Man.
Thus the owners requirements are much much higher than for the average breed than can guard.
This is what separates them.
Good luck on your choice
Jeannine D OUT
Dekka good points I wont throw my breed here since it would be fruitless.
Great Pry back 100 years ago did have human protection drive.
We bred it out of them to get along with the once huge farms now turning to yards.
10 Years ago on a Great Pry list a woman had a neighbor trespass on her property the dog bit him.
All and I mean all the Great Pry people said Put the dog to sleep.
NO human protection drive down playing the defense of the breed that was natural.
Many LGdS breeds still have it like Anatolian , Kuvasz etc all of which do NOTdo well in aparts.
Great Pry back 100 years ago did have human protection drive.
We bred it out of them to get along with the once huge farms now turning to yards.
10 Years ago on a Great Pry list a woman had a neighbor trespass on her property the dog bit him.
All and I mean all the Great Pry people said Put the dog to sleep.
NO human protection drive down playing the defense of the breed that was natural.
Many LGdS breeds still have it like Anatolian , Kuvasz etc all of which do NOTdo well in aparts.
why do you feel so threatened? would moving solve the problem?
Here is a true story. A family outside of Toronto had a lovely mastiff. (not sure what kind) he was a great family dog. He was gentle with the kids, didn't eat the cat etc. Until one day he killed a little girl playing with 'his' kid. Yes they were supervised, adults were right there, but it all happened so fast.... A dog with serious protection drive is a weapon. Do you want a living weapon? Why do you feel you need this? Is there something you aren't telling us?
Here is a true story. A family outside of Toronto had a lovely mastiff. (not sure what kind) he was a great family dog. He was gentle with the kids, didn't eat the cat etc. Until one day he killed a little girl playing with 'his' kid. Yes they were supervised, adults were right there, but it all happened so fast.... A dog with serious protection drive is a weapon. Do you want a living weapon? Why do you feel you need this? Is there something you aren't telling us?