Breeder etiquette/deposit question

Greenmagick · Jul 15, 2013

To me non-refundable means for THAT litter at THAT time. If the breederr is the one responsible for no pup (as in failed breeding), then it is the breeder's responsibility to give it back. If the litter was born and then YOU backed out, that wouldn't be refundable. But that's not what happened here. I'd keep pushing for the deposit back and go to small claims court if it comes down to it.

this ^^

Kootenay · Jul 15, 2013

Thank you all for your input. I have sent back a polite but firm message. We'll see how it goes....

sassafras · Jul 15, 2013

I know you've already responded to her, but I would like to add... don't get into a discussion with her about the rightness or wrongness of it. If she comes back at you refusing to refund it, just calmly repeat "As per your correspondence of mm/dd/yyyy where you clearly stated you would refund the full deposit, I expect a full refund by xxx date. Thank you."

Don't get dragged into an argument about whether it's right or wrong. She said she would refund it so she essentially has no defense, just keep referring back to her own statement.

Panzerotti · Jul 15, 2013

I think that you should keep pushing to get it back as well, although this woman is not known for being reasonable.

Dizzy · Jul 15, 2013

sassafras said:

This. I had this with an old landlord (slighty different obviously), but I got sucked into bickering and its just not worth it. Be professional is my advice.

Kootenay · Jul 15, 2013

Okay, she has agreed to send me the full deposit back after realizing that she had it no where in writing that it was non-refundable (I didn't receive the standard receipt for whatever reason). Yay! Now, hopefully it actually comes this time. Thank you all for your support! I really hate this kind of thing.

Interesting. Wish I'd found this out before sending in my deposit! Live and learn, I suppose. I've mostly been quite lucky with this sort of thing.

Greenmagick · Jul 15, 2013

Good news!

Though I fail to see how a receipt saying non refundable would make it so as that would be AFTER you already paid...too late to decide against it if one was uncomfortable with non-refundable

Kootenay · Jul 15, 2013

Greenmagick said:

I agree, but hey, I'm just happy this is how she's decided to let it go.

release the hounds · Jul 15, 2013

It wouldn't matter if it was "non-refundable" That breeding didn't produce any puppies and she said she was unlikely to do it again and then agreed to give it back. End of story.

Red Chrome · Jul 15, 2013

release the hounds said:

This.

I have a non refundable deposit but if the breeding doesn't take then that's on me and they can roll the deposit to a different litter or get it back, wait for the next try of there is one. Etc.

Once you say you're refunding a deposit, just refund it IMHO.

yv0nne · Jul 15, 2013

That really stinks

Why did she want a deposit before there were puppies confirmed? You'd think you would obviously get your money back if no pups ever came of it!!

Kootenay · Jul 15, 2013

Red Chrome said:

Of course I completely agree!! But if this is the "reason" she is using to refund it, then I don't even care, as long as I get the money back.

FG167 · Jul 15, 2013

Panzerotti said:

I second this...very strongly.

Kootenay said:

Yeah, I found out after you had already purchased Onyx so I didn't say anything. I'm also staying far far away.

AdrianneIsabel · Jul 15, 2013

Panzerotti said:

Unfortunately, this, she has a pretty ugly reputation.

Keep pushing though, I wouldn't let her bully you. I wouldn't hesitate to burn that bridge.

My next puppy the breeder wouldn't let me put down a deposit until the pregnancy is confirmed even though I tried to jump the gun.

Kootenay · Jul 15, 2013

She sent the money, it is in my account, so PHEW is all I can say!!! Very relieved that it didn't have to turn ugly.

I sure wish I'd known about her reputation before getting involved, but I can say with certainty that I am SO thankful that I ended up NOT getting a puppy from her, especially since I was considering doing a co-own. Close call there. Certainly will not ever be dealing with her again.

Onyx's breeder also will not take deposits before pregnancies are confirmed. I won't ever place a deposit on an unconfirmed pregnancy again, that's for sure!

AdrianneIsabel · Jul 15, 2013

I'm really thankful it worked out, live and learn. You got a much nicer puppy, I'm sure it was meant to be.

Kootenay · Jul 15, 2013

AdrianneIsabel said:

Exactly, I'm so happy with Onyx, and on top of all that she was less expensive even with importing her from Mexico. Definitely meant to be!

Red Chrome · Jul 15, 2013

AdrianneIsabel said:

I also will not take deposits until pregnancy is confirmed. I have a wait list, first person on the list is notified first and given first chance to place a deposit and then on down it goes. I try to be as fair as possible.

Kat09Tails · Jul 15, 2013

You are absolutely owed that deposit back. I would insist on it and I might even end up in small claims court over it.

That's a bunch of BS that they didn't think they should return it.

In the end I am glad it turned out.

Panzerotti · Jul 15, 2013

Kootenay said:

She sent the money, it is in my account, so PHEW is all I can say!!! Very relieved that it didn't have to turn ugly.

I sure wish I'd known about her reputation before getting involved, but I can say with certainty that I am SO thankful that I ended up NOT getting a puppy from her, especially since I was considering doing a co-own. Close call there. Certainly will not ever be dealing with her again.

That is good news all around!

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