Returning a dog to the breeder - Questions/Rant

.........I think many of us can raise our hands and say that we once felt overloaded and stressed with our animals at some point. And I think many of us have also owned dogs that just didn't click or we just didn't like all that much. But at no time are those situations an excuse for failing to provide the very basics of canine care.....such as food.

I have to pipe in real quick.

First, I think I've been around long enough online that people know I don't "hide behind thinly veiled insults". I'm a very honest and open person, and I despise passive-aggressiveness. I will say what I mean, and mean what I say.


Second, I'm going to have to step up (and be the first and only?) and say that I have an issue with it being said that this puppy wasn't neglected intentionally. It most certainly was intentional. I'm not saying that there isn't a much larger issue at hand, as there very well is, but this dog wasn't what she wanted (or she didn't get enough fame and recognition for owning it), therefore she made the decision to not positively interact with this puppy or feed it as basic needs demand. Not only that, she was smart enough to start weaving a web of deception in order to justify the treatment of this puppy. I wholeheartedly believe she was planning on using this cover-up to hide the fate of the pup. That may less one to believe that there is a much larger issue with her, but it doesn't absolve her of blame for actions that were deliberate and calculated. Intentional.

The fact that this pup was again uprooted and rehomed and yet managed to immediately start gaining weight makes me immediately throw out the whole "the poor puppy was only just too stressed to eat, so Teal's not to blame".


I think many of us can raise our hands and say that we once felt overloaded and stressed with our animals at some point. And I think many of us have also owned dogs that just didn't click or we just didn't like all that much. But at no time are those situations an excuse for failing to provide the very basics of canine care.....such as food.

And another sad side effect is the increased hardship of potential owners being allowed to obtain a dog from a long-distance breeder. People, such as myself, might now be turned down because of actions by Teal and others like her.

Second, I'm going to have to step up (and be the first and only?) and say that I have an issue with it being said that this puppy wasn't neglected intentionally. It most certainly was intentional.

she was smart enough to start weaving a web of deception in order to justify the treatment of this puppy. I wholeheartedly believe she was planning on using this cover-up to hide the fate of the pup.

And another sad side effect is the increased hardship of potential owners being allowed to obtain a dog from a long-distance breeder. People, such as myself, might now be turned down because of actions by Teal and others like her.

After spending a good chunk of time examining the date stamps on pictures, threads all over excluding the puppy, information given by her and little inconsistencies in things. I have to agree with Miakoda. I have done everything in my power to make sure this doesn't happen again to another dog. Whether people will listen or not is on them.

I truly wish Jairi would come back here and explain the situation or own up to it. But IME with people that do these things, they RUN, they disappear for awhile and then they pop up months later after they think people have forgotten about it.

I do wonder what happened to other dogs that disappeared. Especially those that there are no pictures of for a month before they went to their new homes. It makes me wonder what really happened to Clairece,Polaris,JP and the others.

And Goldfhysh and that Catahoula she has as well?

Once again... There is NO NEED to bring up her other dogs. This thread is degrading itself.

Her other dogs show a pattern of behavior.

Getting dogs. Getting in over her head. Getting rid of them.

Plenty of reason to bring them up. If I were selling puppies, those other dogs on their own would be enough of a reason for me not to sell to her!

Once again... There is NO NEED to bring up her other dogs. This thread is degrading itself.

That she had other dogs with mysterious disappearances and questionable nurturing IS relevant because it shows a pattern…that this Fila puppy isn’t a one time lapse in judgement or a freak thing that his condition just snuck up on her. That’s ridiculous. If a dog is losing a lot of weight, a normal person takes it to the vet and it goes on IV’s if necessary. A normal person doesn’t let the dog get thinner and thinner until he is a skeleton!!!!

People with a total disregard for life, a complete lack of empathy for a helpless puppy are dangerous. Yes! They need help and need it badly. It doesn't change that fact if they're mentally ill or not. The criminal act of starving an animal is unconscionable and sickening. I can not fathom it. I wouldn't care if I really disliked an animal, it's behavior or personality, if it didn't fit in and I was planning on re-homing it, I can not understand or sympathize with anyone who would not have the smallest iota of concern for another living thing. Whether it's purposeful or not, withholding food and nurture from any living thing is reprehensible. Neglect is not necessarily purposeful or a thought out thing. The word, neglect implies that it's not really overt or malicious, but a profound lack of caring or empathy and that is every bit as damaging and pathetic as an overt act of abuse.

No one... who lets a dog get like that....who very nearly starves a dog to death, who doesn't like it so doesn't give it ample attention when it's just a tiny baby should NOT be allowed to have any animal or child or even an adult in her care EVER!

Barbara, if you can look at this proof...and it is proof...as near as I think you can get…. And you can look at that picture of this starving, emaciated, miseable little puppy and continue to be in denial, if you continue to defend a criminal...a person who has no empathy or a care in the world for a little baby dog because she doesn't like it‘s personality...then you're as mentally messed up as she! Maybe more!

He will not leave my sight. He will not let ME leave his sight, without pitching a fit. To sum it up on one word - this dog is obsessed. When I say that he is soft, I mean that if I even look at him wrong, he falls over himself, half-rolling over and half trying to keep eye contact with the tip of his tail wagging... begging for forgiveness for something he didn't even do. When I try to train him, he just falls into me and stares at me with lovey eyes. When I try to move, he leans into more. I should video it... I have NEVER met a dog like this in my life. And honestly - I don't know what the hell to do with it. No matter HOW I act to him, he does the same thing - falling over himself and me, staring at me like a lovestruck puppy... which I guess he is.

No one... who lets a dog get like that....who very nearly starves a dog to death, who doesn't like it so doesn't give it ample attention when it's just a tiny baby should NOT be allowed to have any animal or child or even an adult in her care EVER!

Once again... There is NO NEED to bring up her other dogs. This thread is degrading itself.

I’m thrilled the fila pup is safe and sound, but I am very worried for the other dogs. Especially now that all this has come to light. If Teal is indeed in bad shape mentally and emotionally, now that the fit has hit the shan so to speak, now is the time to really watch out for those in her care.

The first time she said she wanted to return Bullseye was the third time I had contact with her. It was the Friday before I had to go be with my mother and father-in-law after her surgery. Saturday I was with them and Sunday I went to get Bullseye.

She contacted me twice in the two months he was with her. She didn't understand why he was so attached to her. I talked to her about what she could try. If she could not feed him she could have told me so and I would have come sooner and got him. He had no problem eating with his new family the same day I took him from Jari and gave him to them. REALLY?!

I have had two other kids go to homes and come back. They are willing to give their accounts about my diligence. The pups I have are more than able to stay here and be kept for. My two litters over seventeen years were products of betterment. I am not affiliated with enough forums to know what all is said about me. I only have references of people who have given permission, whom have been to my home and have bought and not bought, that may talk in privacy to anyone, about my character. My web site www.delalunakennel.com has all the good and bad that has happened in my life. I believe in complete disclosure. I have posted everything possible from vets, training, health screening, showing, etc., so that anyone may see who we are and what we do. I challenge other breeders to put as much good/bad as available.

Jari is horrible, she abused my baby. The only reason I found out about the extremity of the situation was from an e-mail from someone who let me know about forum correspondence that I wasn't privy too.

Again, anyone whom you communicate with is more than welcome to call me. I hope no one else sells/gives one of their kids to her. I have told her this directly on the phone in the last few weeks.

That she had other dogs with mysterious disappearances and questionable nurturing IS relevant because it shows a pattern…that this Fila puppy isn’t a one time lapse in judgement or a freak thing that his condition just snuck up on her. That’s ridiculous. If a dog is losing a lot of weight, a normal person takes it to the vet and it goes on IV’s if necessary. A normal person doesn’t let the dog get thinner and thinner until he is a skeleton!!!!

People with a total disregard for life, a complete lack of empathy for a helpless puppy are dangerous. Yes! They need help and need it badly. It doesn't change that fact if they're mentally ill or not. The criminal act of starving an animal is unconscionable and sickening. I can not fathom it. I wouldn't care if I really disliked an animal, it's behavior or personality, if it didn't fit in and I was planning on re-homing it, I can not understand or sympathize with anyone who would not have the smallest iota of concern for another living thing. Whether it's purposeful or not, withholding food and nurture from any living thing is reprehensible. Neglect is not necessarily purposeful or a thought out thing. The word, neglect implies that it's not really overt or malicious, but a profound lack of caring or empathy and that is every bit as damaging and pathetic as an overt act of abuse.

No one... who lets a dog get like that....who very nearly starves a dog to death, who doesn't like it so doesn't give it ample attention when it's just a tiny baby should NOT be allowed to have any animal or child or even an adult in her care EVER!

Barbara, if you can look at this proof...and it is proof...as near as I think you can get…. And you can look at that picture of this starving, emaciated, miseable little puppy and continue to be in denial, if you continue to defend a criminal...a person who has no empathy or a care in the world for a little baby dog because she doesn't like it‘s personality...then you're as mentally messed up as she! Maybe more!