Pitbulls and American Bulldogs, look at these pics, are they right?

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One thing that I thought was kind of funny. A couple of the posters who complained about the looks of the dogs are the same ones who compliment photos of an english bulldog. Each and every dog shown is physically in better shape than an english bulldog. Each will have less health problems. Each will be better able to breathe than the english. In a few cases about the only difference is the size. Several of the dogs may have english blood in them.
Wonder what is the difference?
 

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The first pic of the American Bulldog its hard to tell. Doesent look purebred to me. Maybe possibly Johnson.....Maybe I would need to see a better picture.

The second is probley a Scott. Though still its hard for me to tell.

I love American Bulldogs. My neighbor has a female Johnson I know for a fact. She looks alot like this dog here.
http://www.gotpetsonline.com/pictur...ies-rescue/pictures/american-bulldog-0017.jpg
 

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Pick up a copy of Dog Fancy magazine (or any US dog mag) and look in the back at the Classifieds, under APBT. You will see pictures of dogs that are extraordinary - substantially wider, even, than those pics. I couldn't believe it when I saw them - they are like the dog-creature in that Ghost Busters movie.

(e.g. These guys advertise:
http://www.castlekingkennel.com/
http://www.untouchabullpits.com/breedings_2.htm
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/image7.htm (5 week old pup!)
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/55.html
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/182.htm )

Del.

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One thing that I thought was kind of funny. A couple of the posters who complained about the looks of the dogs are the same ones who compliment photos of an english bulldog. Each and every dog shown is physically in better shape than an english bulldog. Each will have less health problems. Each will be better able to breathe than the english. In a few cases about the only difference is the size. Several of the dogs may have english blood in them.
Wonder what is the difference?
The difference is that these dogs are not suppose to look like that. No one is going to sit here and say that British Bulldogs don't have health problems, but we aren't talking about that particular breed of dog.
I would be equally appalled if I saw a badly bred, grotesque Doberman or Chihuahua.

Those dogs that the Castle King people claim are APBT definately have Dogue de Bordeaux in them. No way in hades are they pure bred and one look at the website tells me they A: Couldn't care less about the breed and B: Are desperate for people to think they're macho tough guys.
I'm sure the dogs themselves are wonderful but it makes me sad to see dogs used to inflate someone's ego like that.

Cass.

EDIT: And can I just say that I'm also disgusted by these idiots who think that putting pictures of dogs mating on their site is a good idea. Sick, gross morons. We know they do it, but taking photos of them doing it...especially that picture of the bitch who is tied and the guy is hold her collar for the photo...is completely unneccessary.
 

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Pick up a copy of Dog Fancy magazine (or any US dog mag) and look in the back at the Classifieds, under APBT. You will see pictures of dogs that are extraordinary - substantially wider, even, than those pics. I couldn't believe it when I saw them - they are like the dog-creature in that Ghost Busters movie.

(e.g. These guys advertise:
http://www.castlekingkennel.com/
http://www.untouchabullpits.com/breedings_2.htm
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/image7.htm (5 week old pup!)
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/55.html
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/182.htm )

Del.
and the selling price for some of those dogs are like 5000$$ each. Sorry thats just stupid to me.. an APBT mix for 5 gs? I would rather pay off my car than get a mutt like that.
 

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Pick up a copy of Dog Fancy magazine (or any US dog mag) and look in the back at the Classifieds, under APBT. You will see pictures of dogs that are extraordinary - substantially wider, even, than those pics. I couldn't believe it when I saw them - they are like the dog-creature in that Ghost Busters movie.

(e.g. These guys advertise:
http://www.castlekingkennel.com/
http://www.untouchabullpits.com/breedings_2.htm
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/image7.htm (5 week old pup!)
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/55.html
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/182.htm )

Del.
Omigod omigod, confession time!
I was looking at an issue of the magazine a few months back..I saw those ads..there were a few that said "We breed for massive heads and extra wide chests"...so dissapointed at that magazine for not screening breeders...they'll let anyone advertise!

AHHH
I grabbed my phone and sat at my computer..I ended up phoning a few of them that had numbers, and emailed the rest with my sweet words...explaining how they are the most irresponsible, selfish backyard breeders known to man...most of them didn't even know what the OFA was!

lol...oh boy.
 

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One thing that I thought was kind of funny. A couple of the posters who complained about the looks of the dogs are the same ones who compliment photos of an english bulldog. Each and every dog shown is physically in better shape than an english bulldog. Each will have less health problems. Each will be better able to breathe than the english. In a few cases about the only difference is the size. Several of the dogs may have english blood in them.
Wonder what is the difference?
I myself don't now much about the English bulldog...I do know that the breed has breathing problems..agreed..again the fault of stupid MAN....

the reason I complain about these monster pits is because they're not bred according to standards..they're bred for money...they're not health tested...they're more like an accessory or status symbol...bragging about head size or chest width is just stupid! Pit bulls bred for standards won't have breathing problems because they won't have that squished in face or that low set heavy chest on tiny short legs...why MAKE them unhealthy purposely?

These deformed pits aren't going to be healthy or fit...its irresponsible breeding at its finest...just very sad and typical with the pit bull breed.
 
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the reason I complain about these monster pits is because they're not bred according to standards..they're bred for money...they're not health tested...
Not always...sometimes they are bred that way to be better pullers in weight pull competitions. I personally do not like them that way at all and would much prefer a well-bred game pit. Check out the American Pull Dog, it is basically the same "breed" as the wide pit only they are actually admitting that it is not a purebred pitbull
 

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Not always...sometimes they are bred that way to be better pullers in weight pull competitions. I personally do not like them that way at all and would much prefer a well-bred game pit. Check out the American Pull Dog, it is basically the same "breed" as the wide pit only they are actually admitting that it is not a purebred pitbull
but how can a dog that overdone, with front and hind ends as bad-looking as so many of those dogs, be a good athlete? maybe it's because weight pull is such a short spurt of effort? but how can those bodies possibly hold up over time? they make me cringe just to look at them.
 

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I don't know the standard on the english bull, never was interested. I did have several friends who had them. Theirs were not able to have a natural birth. One had a pup born without legs. None lived to be very old. I do know the price of one is more than I would like to spend. Do you think they are also bred for the money? The person who had the pup born without legs kept the pup. I never knew what happened to it. I was at the vets when she explained the one pup did not have legs. They wanted it anyway.
Many of the owners of pit bulls complain about the large pulling dogs. It seems like they think they do not have a chance when competing against these dogs. When I did pulling I always welcomed any competition. If my dog could not compete their dog was better prepared. I knew I would have to work harder to compete.
While the pulling track is a very short distance it can take a lot out of the dog and if your dog continues to pull you may have to pull many times.
Many of the pit bull breeders do not put enough emphasis on the rear end of their dog. A pit bull depends on their back legs for most of their strength. Some other breeders who realize this will breed a dog that has a stronger rearend. Sometimes the pit bulls cannot compete with these specialized dogs.
If you see some of the weights some of these dogs can pull they may not look so bad.
 

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Many of the owners of pit bulls complain about the large pulling dogs. It seems like they think they do not have a chance when competing against these dogs.
i'm not that familiar with weight pull (sadly, there's not much access to clubs around here. i think it'd be fun to get into with crazy red dog.) but isn't it done by weight class? a proper-sized pit bull wouldn't be pulling against a huge dog, anyway?
 

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i'm not that familiar with weight pull (sadly, there's not much access to clubs around here. i think it'd be fun to get into with crazy red dog.) but isn't it done by weight class? a proper-sized pit bull wouldn't be pulling against a huge dog, anyway?
Yes weight pulling is done by weight classes. Just one thing I could never understand when I hear some complain how they cannot compete with the large blue or large bully dogs. Back when weight pulling started it was legal to bait the dogs. Pit bulls could be fired up a lot easier than most dogs. It was easier when training and conditioning didn't come into play. I have even seen some use a running lawn mower to entice a dog to pull. Now you cannot tease or bait the dogs the training and strength is more important.
I can't see the reason for complaints.
 

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i remember quite awhile ago i was looking up something about weight pull and came across some miniature poodles with titles. that cracked me up. i think that'd be awesome.
 

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I do remember when pulling was just getting started. I just knew that no other dog would ever out pull a pit bull. I had to eat my words.
The best pulling dog I have ever seen was a small female pit bull. If I remember her name was Miss Piggy, a small black and white dog. I think she weighed around 30 lbs. A great dog with a heart as big as she was.
 

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Those dogs are NOT "pit bulls" & only the first of the 2 AB's looks like it could be a decent representation of one (but it's only a head shot & a side one at that so one really can't judge). I have never seen an AB with it's ears cropped, although the dog does have the look of a bred for head size & body size Johnson AB. AB's of the Johnson strain are now bred primarily for their size & looks just as the American Bullys are....maybe they share a little bit in common, eh? Most of the people I know with true working AB's use the Scott line or hybrids.
 
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That thing is a mutt. A mongrel, a cur, a mixed-breed, a random-bred. There is nothing right with that dog, and nothing standard about it. The head alone makes it clear that it's a mutant blend of a whole boatload of bad ideas. Don't get me wrong, I love mutts, but that dog is about as purebred as a labradoodle, I don't care how much BS is being slung about ancient bloodlines and 'game' hearts and 'bully' breeds. It's a freaking con job.
 

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Pick up a copy of Dog Fancy magazine (or any US dog mag) and look in the back at the Classifieds, under APBT. You will see pictures of dogs that are extraordinary - substantially wider, even, than those pics. I couldn't believe it when I saw them - they are like the dog-creature in that Ghost Busters movie.

(e.g. These guys advertise:
http://www.castlekingkennel.com/
http://www.untouchabullpits.com/breedings_2.htm
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/image7.htm (5 week old pup!)
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/55.html
http://www.komonstersquad.com/html/182.htm )

Del.
Those dogs are definitely not pit bulls. Dogue de Bordeaux x pits, maybe, but pure pit bulls, definitely not.

And sorry, but I don't find them very attractive at all...
 

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The dogs on the castleking site look like they'd get winded walking to the mailbox.
 

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I do remember when pulling was just getting started. I just knew that no other dog would ever out pull a pit bull. I had to eat my words.
The best pulling dog I have ever seen was a small female pit bull. If I remember her name was Miss Piggy, a small black and white dog. I think she weighed around 30 lbs. A great dog with a heart as big as she was.
Is she well-known in the APBT history, more recently?

I have a book, somewhere, dusty and torn, that's not but a few years old, with mention of a small female pit bull who made history with her pull. I can't remember the name, i believe they said she was black, or black and white. I'll have to pull that book out.
 

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Is she well-known in the APBT history, more recently?

I have a book, somewhere, dusty and torn, that's not but a few years old, with mention of a small female pit bull who made history with her pull. I can't remember the name, i believe they said she was black, or black and white. I'll have to pull that book out.
She pulled in the mid 80's. I may be mistaken but I seem to remember she was in the Guiness book of world records for the most weight pulled per pound. A young girl bred, owned, and trained her. I can remember the dog but only can remember the girl was very good looking but I can't remember the name.
When Ed Hinkle first set up his pulling track she was one of the best. Another dog from Okla. named bighead was another. He was a large dog but could pull with the best, no he out pulled the best.
 

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