So the AAC rules are changing. How do you feel about it?

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I'm reading the bark list.. Team is now a game for a title by itself.. and the games titles are now all different. While I hate team, I'm not sure how I feel.. Partially because I am 1 team Q from a title.. So I have 7/8 Qs I need and this may disrupt it..
 

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LOVE the changes.

I hate paying full price to run 1/2 a course with a dog who is stressed out about a strange dog in the ring.

I love that junior handlers can do more than just standard.

I like the shorter chute (not only safer but cheaper to buy :D)

I really like the fact that it will take more than a Q to get out of a starters game. Often people are just lucky and need more time in starters (which they couldnt' have).

I like the option of rubberized contacts.

Over all I am pretty happy!
 

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I'm reading the bark list.. Team is now a game for a title by itself.. and the games titles are now all different. While I hate team, I'm not sure how I feel.. Partially because I am 1 team Q from a title.. So I have 7/8 Qs I need and this may disrupt it..
Comprehensive details outlining grandfathering during the transition period will be
released within the next few days but, in general, no Qs earned to date will be
“lost.†Dogs will not have to go back a level to pick up Qs in order to be eligible
for the SGDC and AGDC titles but will rather be considered to have met the
requirements in a specific game if they are eligible to move up in that game as of
January 1, 2009. Details are being finalized and documented. Here, too, please be
patient and all will become clear(er) very soon.


If you are eligible now for a Masters games class, then it shouldn't mess you up. I do believe that we just earned our Advanced Games Titles.

I love the new changes and they would have made my year if they had also dropped the that damned evil table from all levels :rolleyes:

At this point, Petie is over half way for the Bronze Steeplechase Title and we only hopefully that ATCh, is looking pretty good if it wasn't for that **** 'table' lol.

:D
 

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Did you still need another advanced team Q?

I like many of the changes. I'm not sure how I feel about team. I don't love team, but gambling isn't really our skill either. So needing an extra gambling Q doesn't make it a happy day either.

I feel nothing for the AAC and Smudge, I guess because our first trial isn't till Dec 13th. Changing when we were 13 Qs to an AtCH really not counting them down, don't care that much, just having already done so much makes me blah. Doesn't change much, just change, lol.
 

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For Bounce I love the changes. It gives young dogs more time in starters. You don't get a fabulous gamble run and end up in adv before you are ready. You get more time in the competition ring doing the 'easy' courses.
 

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MP,

No, you don't need them, if you are already eligible to compete now in Masters all the games except Team, then you have already earned your Advanced games title. Now if you want to earn that Masters games dogs of Canada title then you have to complete the required Q's now in Team at Advanced (3 isn't it?) before moving onto Masters Team.

Now lets say congrats on our new Titles :D
 

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Oh, now wait a minute - what are these new rules that we're speaking of?? I don't follow the bark list, and since I don't trial that much, I haven't a clue what you guys are talking about - can someone fill me in? I only ever trial one day on a weekend, and normally only once a month or less, so we're not in masters yet. I only need one more standard Q, and at this time, 1 each of the games. Am I to understand that I will now need 3 each of the games? Not really happy if that is the case, since it costs me more money that I don't always have. Brandy was not a dog that had to be "held back" in starters. She was ready for advanced, with some minor issues that were worked on as we went....bleh, I'm never a person that likes rule changes (I have a hard time with change - hehe)
 

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its 2 in each game for starters now.. but you don't need team. Makes sense to me. That way if you have a 'lucky' round you aren't then moved up into adv. I have been known to throw a run as I don't want to move up yet. And it will cost only one more run-theoretically except that most people have to try a few times to get team. So over all I imagine it will be cheaper.
 

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I'm a geek. I just looked at Brandy's AAc stats page to see what you were saying. Kinda yeah.. You will still need the same 1 Q for AADC.. but now you need 2 ad gamblers, 2 advanced snookers and 2 advanced jumpers to get your AGDC.

You kinda do get screwed.. though it could have taken forever to get that last advanced team Q (aka Cider ;) ) via the current rules though we hadn't been working at it that long..

Check your email, I sent you the post off the bark with the meeting minutes.
 

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What's the deal on the height of weave poles, does anyone know? Someone mentioned at a trial that they'd be lowering them - to like 22 inches or something, and I was PISSED about it... Bella's 26 inches at the shoulder, how the heck do they think she'll weave poles that are shorter than her?!
 

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To my knowledge weave height wasn't an issue on the table. Think the rule book says 3-4 feet. Weave spacing was up for discussion.
 

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What's the deal on the height of weave poles, does anyone know? Someone mentioned at a trial that they'd be lowering them - to like 22 inches or something, and I was PISSED about it... Bella's 26 inches at the shoulder, how the heck do they think she'll weave poles that are shorter than her?!

> Weave poles: The Board gave careful consideration to the recommendations of the
Standing Rules Committee concerning weave poles and determined that more information
ought to be sought prior to making a decision about increasing the distance between
poles; however, it was decided that, effective January 1, 2009, poles spaced at less
than
20†apart on centre will not be acceptable for use in AAC-sanctioned trials.
Similarly,
stick-in-the-ground poles will not longer be permitted.
>
> As of January 1, 2009, weave poles will no longer be permitted in Masters Jumpers
courses.
>
> Also, as of July 1, 2009, striping on weave poles must be painted rather than
taped to
lessen the chance of injury as dogs push through the poles.


This is part of the email on the Barklist sent out by Kathryn concerning weave poles. Hope this helps.
 

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Thanks! That clears it up... I remember them talking about the paint, and the space between, but I swear I heard talk about making the poles shorter... Maybe I'm crazy. Thanks for clearing that up, though!
 

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The update on new title clarification from the bark lit as some of you don't read it~

This should answer a lot of questions that have been coming in over the last few
days.

The document that lays out these changes will be available for download from the
AAC web site in French and English later today -- I would strongly urge everyone
to have a look at it. The document includes tables that make all of this
clearer. The limits of list-based e-mail prevent reproduction of the tables, but
I've tried to cover everything here.

We believe we have covered every possible scenario. If you have questions,
please re-read the document carefully. Do not contact Barbara Brown with
questions, as she and Jonathan are busy with all of the adjustments that need to
be made.

Please share this info with friends who might not be on the list, as it's
important that everyone know where they stand and where they need to go.

Thanks,

Kathryn



Transition to New Rules
“Grandfatheringâ€Â of Qualifying Scores

As of January 1, 2009, a number of rule changes will come into effect. These
will have an impact on the move-up progression and how titles are earned.
Your status as of January 1, 2009 will determine what you need to earn to
move up and to complete titles. In no case will you have to “go backâ€Â to
pick
up Qs for titles, and in no case will you be ineligible for a title based on
requirements you have met prior to the change.


STARTERS GAMES DOG OF CANADA

If you have one Q in a particular game before January 1, 2009, you have met the
requirements for that
component of the SGDC and do not have to get a second Q in that game. Enter
Advanced in that game.


If you do not have a Q in a particular game by January 1, 2009, you will need to
earn two Qs in that game under two different judges in order to meet the
requirements of that component of the SGDC and to move to Advanced in that game.

To earn the Starters Games Dog of Canada title, in EACH of Gamblers, Snooker and
Jumpers you need:

1 St Q earned before January 1, 2009

OR

2 St Qs earned after January 1, 2009


ADVANCED GAMES DOG OF CANADA

If you have two Advanced Qs under two different judges in a particular game
before January 1, 2009, you have met the requirements for that component of the
AGDC and do not have to get a third Q in that game in order to move up or to be
eligible for the AGDC. Enter Masters in that game.

If you have one Advanced Q in a particular game before January 1, 2009, you will
need two more
Advanced Qs in that game to meet the requirements for that component of the AGDC
and to move to
Masters. The three Qs (one before and two after January 1) must be earned under
at least two different
judges.

If you are in Advanced in a particular game but have not earned any Advanced Qs
in that game as of
January 1, 2009, you will need three Advanced Qs earned under at least two
different judges to meet the requirements for that game̢۪s contribution to the
AGDC and to move to Masters in that game.


To earn the Advanced Games Dog of Canada title, in EACH of Gamblers, Snooker and
Jumpers you need:

2 Adv Qs earned before January 1, 2009

OR

1 Adv Q earned before January 1, 2009 AND 2 Adv Qs earned after January 1, 2009

OR

3 Adv Qs earned after January 1, 2009


AGILITY TRIAL CHAMPION OF CANADA

The requirement for Standard Qs remains the same (MADC).

If you have earned three or more Masters Qs in a particular game by January 1,
2009, you have earned the Masters title for that game and have fulfilled the
ATChC requirements for that game. You do not have to get a fourth Q in that
game.

If you are in Masters in a particular game but have not yet earned any Masters
Qs in that game, you will
need four Masters Qs in that game earned under at least two different judges to
earn the Masters title for that game and to fulfill that game̢۪s component of
the ATChC.

If you have earned one Masters Q in a particular game before January 1, 2009,
you will need three more
Masters Qs in that game to earn the Masters title for that game and to fulfill
that game̢۪s component of the ATChC. The four (total) Qs must be earned under
at least two different judges.

If you have earned two Masters Qs in a particular game before January 1, 2009,
you will need two more
Masters Qs in that game to earn the Masters title for that particular game and
to fulfill that game̢۪s
component of the ATChC. (See exception, below.) The four (total) Qs must be
earned under at least two
different judges.


To earn the Agility Trial Champion of Canada title, you need three Masters
Standard Qs
(MADC) earned any time, PLUS, in each of Gamblers (MGDC), Snooker (MSDC) and
Jumpers (MJDC):

3 Masters Qs earned before January 1, 2009

OR

1 Masters Q earned before January 1, 2009 AND 3 Masters Qs earned after January
1, 2009

OR

2 Masters Qs earned before January 1, 2009 AND 2 Masters Qs earned after January
1, 2009

OR

4 Masters Qs earned after January 1, 2009


The “on-the-cuspâ€Â exception for dogs only one Q away from an ATChC:

If, as of January 1, 2009, you have completed the MTRDC AND any two of the MGDC,
MJDC or MSDC,
AND you need only one Q to complete your Masters Games title (that is, you have
two Masters Qs in one
of the games and three in each of the other two, plus three in Team Relay),

THEN

the ATChC will be awarded if the third Q in that game is earned by July 1, 2009.


MASTERS TEAM RELAY

To earn the Masters Team Relay title, you need:

1 Starters Team Q earned before January 1, 2009

OR

2 Starters Team Qs earned after January 1, 2009

PLUS

2 Adv Qs earned before January 1, 2009

OR

1 Adv Q earned before January 1, 2009 AND 2 Adv Qs earned after January 1, 2009

OR

3 Adv Qs earned after January 1, 2009

PLUS

3 Masters Qs earned before January 1, 2009

OR

1 Masters Q earned before January 1, 2009 AND 3 Masters Qs earned after January
1, 2009

OR

2 Masters Qs earned before January 1, 2009 AND 2 Masters Qs earned after January
1, 2009

OR

4 Masters Qs earned after January 1, 2009

(Wherever two or more Qs are needed, they must be earned under at least two
different judges.)
 

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If you do not have a Q in a particular game by January 1, 2009, you will need to
earn two Qs in that game under two different judges in order to meet the
requirements of that component of the SGDC and to move to Advanced in that game.
Has it always been under two different judges, or is that new?
If it has always been that way, is it like that with Standard runs aswell, or just games?
 

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Was always like that. Needed 2 judges between your starters games, and 2 between each triplet of standards. Think at the advanced level it got harder and you needed each set of a game under a different judge.. then for masters between three Qs you needed two judges per game.
 

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