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For all you other collar junkies out there I just bought 2 leather collars from this company and could not be happier with them. I have own ld, weaver and paco collars in the past and i can say that summer leather collars are far more superior.The collars are thicker they use stainless steel hardware and seal the sides of the collar and my dogs just love them seems to be comfortable for my dog. here is the site summerleather.com