I mostly lured in the past and when starting out used praise, but no specific verbal reward marker and obviously no click. Sooo yeah I created a dog that stares at me and can't think creatively.
When I agreed to take Scout I'd known her long enough already to know that what I'd used to train Lily wouldn't work for her, which led me to doing private lessons with an agility trainer to work on her confidence, teach me to use a clicker, etc.
Do mostly shaping with Scout, but if she's whelmed about something I may lure a lot more. I tend to default to luring and I don't necesarily think its a good thing because I can be real sloppy about it. Though doing more lessons has made my timing a LOT better.
Anyway, I laugh so hard training Scout because sometimes she will offer the nuttiest things. After working with her for literally two years on her platz (which I know she knows, but corrections aren't really an option with her because she'll just shut down) I finally got one with shaping on the mat. Not even joking, two years! And while she "knew" the behavior very well and would randomly do it sometimes for me, she has baggage from previous owners which includes an old habit where acting like she didn't know would get her the valuable functional reward of being left to her own devices. Sneaky! She was not happy when i figured that one out, LOL.
So going from that to her flinging herself down in a perfect platz on the mat or the rubber bottomed dish I use for perchwork/targeting has been really rewarding.
Shaping Scout pivoting with me ont he perch and using it as a foot target has been the one thing that has gotten her (and Lily.... I've been completely redoing Lily's foundation tbh and its helping immensely) straight and really comfortable working super close to me.
I reward Scout with both food and tug. I accidentally capped Lily's toy/tug drive after being given bad advice years ago one of the times I sat in to watch at club... same woman gave me the brush off later when I came and thats why I ended up working with the trainer I am... never been so glad for someone being so rude and self centered because I'd much rather be where I am.
I do use prong collar corrections with Lily, but tbh I hardly use the prong at all anymore. Like maybe on two walks in the past year and a half? And I'm getting a lot more reliable behaviors than I did when I was using a lot of prong corrections with her even without carrying clicker/treats on walks or in public places outside training. So I guess its working for us!
I shaped Lily to follow my finger, so I can lure without luring and its really helping me train her better. Its been really difficult teaching her shaping, BUT her zest and hardcore drive to work is back and way stronger than it was before so I guess its been very much worth the headache.
Last time we did bitework, I had her ready to go before our TD/decoy was done working out the latest schedule with the other guy who has the nice little GSD. I put her in platz in heel so she wouldn't wear herself out being super pumped and when he was ready I just said okay and she turned right back on like a light switch. I'm pretty proud given what I'm working with here... the half Siberian rescue mutt that I've done plenty of screwing up with is somehow very good at thinking while still in drive.
I think Scout's just growing up, she's a lot less frantic in drive while working lately, while still gaining confidence steadily, and is making really good progress there. She actually has much better drive for it than Lily because well she's mostly GSD.
Holy crap, sorry thats so long! I guess out of all my verbose crap its obvious I'm a better shaper than lurer!
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