GSD 1936 Germany Video

Ok what truth ? You got it

For every GOOD GSD the ONE you own or the few Dan owned their are 1000 fear biter insane GSDS out there. You want the public to beleive most GSDS are like yours

THEY ARE NOT.

I dont live in a bubble I lived in a Major city NYC I see what most see.
And the dog was put down cause the NET promotes dogs in a negative manner.
They are NOT more or less of a liabiliy than GSD . Cause they are laid back and not prey driven.
PLus you can PUT control on them like any other breed with training and social work. This you would know if u lived outside the GSDs
OVer 30000 CAO in Russia and thousands upon thouands in Central Asia an enough puppymillers here to have indicents.
Yet we DONT have the liabilties issues and no insurance company in Euro has put the CAO on any ban list.
Upon that the breed existed along side and do today as a nomadic dog with no fencing and no control and CULLING remove bad ones Natural selection removed the bad ones.
They are still strong but will one day they be in the same class as the GSD as being ruined by man. ? YES they will its in mans nature to do this dog breeds.

All you care about is scoring every bite video againest your work.

You working are not better than the show people who only care about Ribbons
Both sets KNOW jack about breeding correct dog if they ignore comformation as it related to health, and working ability on how it ranges
Not ONLY should the best in show dog and the high score of better sleeve dog should be bred vs over bred
But a dog that qualifies under the standard that is NOT competitive but is healthy and has good qualities.
If we did not ignore the genetic diversity that was no competitive by nature or my pocket and outcrossed once every few generations vs inbreeding on titled dogs we would have the GSD as it should be.

Dogs poeple who act like this are the ones that ruined many breeds.

Its not about dogs its about you and you ego.
A good judge of any sport or comformation always starts with the positive and looks towards the standard for guidance ( if it has nt changed) then they look twards original standard to help asses the dog . Last they hit the negative as it pertains to the breed.
They assist the owner in how to correct it in behavior or training or breeding.

Simply all you care about is being right.

If the GSD community and the dogs were like they were in that video the breed would still be the WORKING dog the Captain wanted.
VS the disgrace the breed has become.
This started with someone wanting a guardian breed. And i can tell you without a doubt it is VERy hard Very expenisive to Find a good GSD and if you do you then must find the drives that suit family life.
The video anyone of THOSE dogs could live with a family, naturally protect, live long and need min training for control and never have to do bite work if the dont want too,
Those dogs in the video are better than most guardian breeds today in the WORLD.

To new GSD people finding this thread .
If stating NOW that their are mrore crappy GSD today than good ones is attacking the breed . They yes I am attacking TODAY.

Ive put up with lying and assuming from novice dog people with limited experience outside of pet ownership for over 100 posts. And all they do is keeping going when i provide the proof they asked for . They can NOT disprove my earlier comments about GSD .
TRUTH HURTS fine then maybe you and dan should BE breeders and risk it all to save the breed. Vs this virtual world bubble you want us to live online.

PM, It is very hard for somebody to even want to take anything you say seriously when you write it like you do, I would LOVE to learn something, but the way you come off so defensive and arrogant, I dont even want to "listen" to what you have to say about it anymore. The way I, as somebody trying to LEARN, am seeing these posts is, you think you know all, and you take things WAY out of context and you are very arrogant about it all. You seem to refuse to listen to anybody else. Nobody EVER attacked your breed. EVER. But for some reason you feel the need to attack Our breed. I think it is beyond childish and petty.

BTW, you are around GOOD CAS dogs that are trained, right?

How many are out there that are just like those 1000 fearbiting GSD's that you have not met? How many are out there running around wild being a nuisance? Do you forget that you are not the only one that owns and, Oh yea, Cant forget that you Breed them and Know everything about them.


Oh and gotta tell ya, The only person here that seems to have a big ego, is you.

BUt go ahead, insult ME now for stating what I see. Because there is no way in hell you could ever do or say anything wrong.

Why ask a question if you really dont want the answer too.

I have seen hundreds if not thousands lost count after i dont know 10 years and it has been 30 years of fearfull GSD in my life time. Exc the bite I got was recent cause my reflects have slowed.

Ive explained in detail on other posts HOW i seen these dogs.

I have recieved over now 50 emails PM and calls from Chaz members thanking me for the info and asking me to stay they think im leaving cause of the "way the gsd people treatd me" even a few of the chazzers that wrote have GSD.

See my other post unless you start with the guardian thread than this thread then the CAS thread and followed it from post to post . I gave up long ago and let the guardian thread die with GSD people having last word. The poster of that thread in chat room asked me to let it go. I DID and then i was chased to other threads being accused of hiding by not answering her.

And you know what when im asked questions so of base in a format designed to attempt to make me look foolish to prove in valid points . Of course I am going to look ego like.
I am supposed to look humble and friendly in a online war athmosphere? are u kidding?
Just call me a bitch it would cut to the chase see bitchology on Fire hydrant.
I do fit that term and im not upset by it.

People were talking about how old Somebodys dogs were and then all of a sudden YOU came in and started going off about stuff. but yet its other people fault for this debate. WOW.

Pls give link about age of dogs and my reply? I do not remember this the same way the quotes yesterday were inaccuate.

I will expand not all the GSD ive met are just fear aggressive, many are hyper beyond hyper. many dogs did not exhibit the correct mindset of the GSD.

Now the GSD ive seen at PP trials or the SCH club of Buffalo were WOW.
Most all of these were police dogs, PO in training inc Czeck, sport dogs etc.

When you compare them to the show bred ( some not all) dogs that look and act nothign like the working set. The World dog show in Mexico was WAR US bred GSD vs German Euro bred they looked and ac ted like 2 different breeds in one ring.
Euro wons of USA on looks but not wins all the time.

So u have show then work and the MOST GSd ive seen are poorly bred dogs in major cities. The poorly bred dogs out number the good ones. They exist and it is NOT my fault they do.

Added we always say to someone that dont buy RESCUE. And do you really think every or all rescues are well bred? and dont come with issues?

Truth is in the GSD case they should buy from a good breeder and make sure the temp matches to what they want. However I am RESCUE RESCUE RESCUE and if u have the time pls adopt a GSD but commit to correcting the wrongs done by previous owners and breeders,

You see I am ODD i spent most of my pre breeding life in rescue.
Not dog shows or competition I had a real life of what everyone sees in dogs.
I understand know that I breed i am NO longer entitled to a opinion based on my own eyes.

Here ya go..

And Yes, Alot of GSD's are not what they SHOULD be... Especially alot of rescues. But who knows where they came from. Some might be 100 percent true to their original breed. Thats why people should speand time with the dog they want before adopting. You might get a GSD with the personality of a lab. But you can also get a lab with the personality of a GSD (Ive seen it many times here. Labs are rediculously over bred here) .

When I get MY german shepherd I will Probably be getting one from a breeder here who's dogs do well both in show And in the wroking world. His dogs may not look llike the ones in that video. But they are Dman well capable of everything they did.. Im gonna do Shutzhund, but the way I want to do it, not how the shutz club wants it done.

But I am sure many CAS dogs are Hyper beyond hyper, Display behaviours that a CAS dog SHOULDNT display, These are the poorly bred ones with dumbass owners, just like in the GSD world. Poorly bred with dumbass owners. And when I say Poorly bred I do Mean the Ones That are huge show winners but wouldnt be able to chase down a threat If one bit him in the as$.

Links GSD then and now in looks. below no comments from me

past to present in the german shepherd

Working line German Shepherds

German shepherds of working German lines, those with little or no show lines still seem Having seen hundreds of so-called "problem dogs," . very normal and old fashioned in appearence, temperament of these dogs is probably high energy and more aggressive then old line shepherds but with the right control they are probably more stable then the show lines in many ways .....These are the dogs that are police dogs... breeders of these dogs in my opinion are doing a good job of breeding dogs that can be used by law enforcement and other agencies.... My dogs being bred for the family in most cases would be to "soft" to make a good police dog...
I have come to believe the higher energy the individual the shorter the lifespan . but that is just my thoery. I feel a nervous,hyper or high energy shepherd may burn out quicker.

Having seen hundreds of so-called "problem dogs," LaTour, an obedience instructor, now requires adopting parties agree to attend obedience classes with the animal immediately.

germanshepherds.com "To The Rescue," by Ranny Green
German Shepherd rescue groups overcome apathy, ignorance and volunteer burnout.
The number of German Shepherds in need of homes is astonishing and heartwrenching.
Labeled by its boosters as noble, versatile, intelligent and loyal, the German Shepherd Dog would figure to be the quintessential All-American pet

Emotional chaos and headstrong exuberance, for starters, has produced heartbreaking chronicles of human error and misjudgment in growing numbers. The result: This proud breed has undergone a character assassination due to mass production and overwhelmed owners who've been on a psycho-voyage for months, sometimes years, attempting to maintain an alpha position within the households.

Potentially, they can become your best friend, protector and playmate," she adds. "Whether it's herding, agility or simply going for a walk, owning a shepherd is fulfilling and therapeutic. They're very smart dogs. In fact, sometimes they're a step ahead of the owners."

What she's seeing-a steady change in the social underpinnings of the breed- doesn't bode well, however. More and more dogs that are relinquished in the Seattle area are of German or Eastern European stock, for which the owners have paid hundreds of dollars. "They're gorgeous, robust animals but they come from a working background," says La Tour. "That means future owners must make a commitment to get these animals involved in agility, tracking, herding or Schutzhund."

But how many Americans are willing to make time for that? Most want to come home, pet the dog a few times, maybe throw the ball for it in the backyard and call it a day. These animals need more. "If we can't match them with active owners, we run a high risk of a mismatch, and they end up right back in the shelter or with us," says La Tour.

Wow you dont get it do u?
I was trying to keep GSD comments on the GSD thread , even thou they were asked and on going on the CAS thread. Which is why I created the thread not to talk how old your GSD is.
You proved I comment about the TOPIC the video!!
I did not respond to age comments as u can READ!!
I did respond without quoting dans commentary on the VIDEO the topic at hand was NOT how old your GSD was it was the VIDEO! which low and behold I tried to stay on topic.

I did this after dan and GSD lover came to my CAS thread and hijacted it for for GSD
When I wrote was the CAS doing more then one trick.

http://www.chazhound.com/forums/t104914/
When I ignored her on guardian breeds she trolled over to CAS demanded I answer her ?

"And I got accused of being defensive and taking it personal . You still havent answered my one and only question, that brought out your "protective" side. HOW DO YOU TAKE A DOG WITH NO PROTECTIVE INSTICTS AND TRAIN THEM TO PROTECT? "

I think this. IMO is wrong







Do gsds have fear biters and dogs with problems? yes. due to BAD BREEDERS. but ya, take a look at the good GSD breeders out there.
and hell, even take a LOOK at MY rescue dog. probably from a shitty breeder. she helped me raise a litter of orphaned puppies, shes kind and sweet and trainable and does agility.

one for every 1000? I think thats a stretch. to say that all the GSDs that are search and rescue, guide dogs, police dogs and so much more are 1 in 1000 of a breed I think is wrong.

these 2 threads have basically become this:


NO THIS BREED IS BETTER
NO THIS
WELL GSDs SUCK
NO THEY DONT
YA THEY DO
MY BREED IS AWESOMER
:rofl1:

. Its like you don't like GSDs, but more than that, you don't like the credit they get for being the star DO IT ALL dogs. just my opinion

It feels like your trying to SELL your breed to us. like you want to PROVE that is better stronger faster or w/e than a GSD. im sorry if thats not what your trying to say but that sure is how its coming off to me
Ive never even HEARD of your breed before pretty recently, and I think you should be happy enough about that. its great that your proud of your breed, thats awesome.
but I dont see why you are trying so hard to prove to us that they are BETTER than any other breed.

:hail::hail::hail: Fran.

You are exactly right.

funny, since I have no connection to either breed--I don't see this as a "mine is better than yours" debate. I see it as someone trying to give info on a less known breed, and others who own GSD's as taking it to mean their breed isn't as good. And then sticks and stones being thrown around. I think PM's style of writing is misunderstood, and actually think she values the GSD as much as CAS.

Kind of funny--if you are on the outside of it.

Step back--take another look.

Or, feel free to debate if the hound dog would be an equally qualified herder, or guardian.....

Baxter--- people are upset that PM is saying things like GSD's aren't natural guardians, that they nip in the butt when someone is running away, etc.

To bring up that not all GSD's are of quality... uhhh duh??? That the breed has changed a lot since its creation? Yes, we know this.

Obviously when someone recommends a breed they aren't recommending the bottom 50%.... the bottom 50% are inconsistent, many of them might as well be other breeds. Obviously, the person looking for a dog has to look for a quality representative. And it's not like it's a crap shoot. If you know anything about what you're looking for and about dogs, it's not like you taking a huge gamble when you go buy a pup. If you get a dog from a good breeder with working lines... hell, you can usually tell just by looking at them what lines they are from...you'll get something with "natural guardian instincts" 95% (GUESS) of the time.

So if this is what the argument has come to- then yes, I agree, there are many crappily bred GSD's out there... 1:1000 ratio is exaggerated, I think... but I'm not even arguing that. It isn't hard to get a decent GSD if you know the first thing about them, and a decent GSD will fufill guardian purposes, and yes, lots of the good ones have GENETICALLY full grips.

Disclaimer: I am not putting down your breed. I have never met a specimen of your breed, or if I did I didn't know it. What I say is completely independent of anything to do with the CAS.

Just keep in mind that to be quiet and thought of as a fool is far better than to open your mouth and prove it true.

Let the OP keep going on the "your breed's crap" rants...all it does is make them look foolish, especially when comparing a breed that most people never even heard of to a very popular and well loved breed. What a load of garbage.

exactly

like I said, i think much of all this crap is stemmed in the fact that she DOES NOT LIKE that GSDs are the do it all all stars and wants that for her breed.

Sorry another assumption...
I have owned GSD and Ive worked with them as security.
They have saved my life
Why would I rescue them and place them if I did not like them?
If all of them are crap why did i put my life in one of their hands?

I challenge you to find one post where i stated I dont like them .In addition to be the jack of all trades dog .
You require instense work to keep the dog SEE GSD CLUB of AMERICA .

If I wanted my breed to be all things . Then I would promote them as such.
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Read my 10 reasons not to own one and then tell me that i want my dogs to be jacks of all trades.

Why would I turn down AKC acceptance and a movie role if I did not want my dogs in the spot lite. Please enligthen me how does one breed in a spot lite via a movie or Westmister not become popular by people who want the breed to do anything?

Being accused that the dog breed CASD are 1 trick ponys prompted me to prove they can do many things but NOT excell at it.
God for bid you read the posts.

I proved a LAb can do PP work . Now are labs promoted as PP dogs? NO
But can they do it? yes does that make a lab owner who does this a person who wants to change the WHOLE lab breed into jack of all trades?NO!!!!!!!!!!!

DOES THIS MAKE ME WANTING LABS TO BE PP DOGS CAUSE I POSTED A VIDEO?
Most of the CAS videos were NOT even my dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!
But they do do other things they lie around the house.

NOt one GSD personn has been able to QUOTE one thing from me that is inaccurate or hatefull to GSD. The fact that I recommended them is LEFT OUT EACH TIME !! The fact that i OWN them IS left out, The fact that I posted a Positive video is left out. The fact that I posted a good comments amoungest the truth is left out. The fact that others have posted here that GSD have the same issues i said is IGNORED WHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! cause they are not breeding a different breed,

Real dog lovers and experts love all dogs not one breed and they understand what affects one affects all. Sad some here are one track minded.
And if you think I am going to post pics of hte bad GSD you have a rude awakening coming. Cause all anyone any where in the USA has to do is step out their front door and see what the real world off line Chaz.

Ok PM

State your reference on this comment? Do you have one other than personal experience? No? Then it's RUDE and NOT TRUE...AND HATEFUL. Why was a comment like this necessary? Give me some proof to back that statement up, other than "just because I've had them" and then we can talk about it. Until then, consider this QUOTING YOU being rude and not giving any proof to your statement.

Lot's of people get good GSD's...mine is good, whether she came from a good breeder or not. She is not a fear-biter, she's actually been quoted as being "very stable" by my SchH trainer. Am I just lucky? I doubt it.
We have several people here with GSD's, and to say that 1 out of 1000 is good is horse crap. We have at least 4-5 people alone with GSD's and seems like they all got good ones...only coincidence?

The fact that you have to state that your dog is not.
Shows this is about trying the love you have for your dog in with yourself.
You are not taking this objectivey.
I showed commentary from GSD rescue people proving the point .
Ignore it all you want it is there it is NOT "my opinion"

Ok I started working fund raising for NOrth Shore animal league at age 11. 1970'sGold medal from Perry Cuomo- went door to door every weekend with GSD Smokey or bingo. in NJ on dads weekend collecting funds for rescue.
Dad had 2 other GSD and Collie for me bribes for leaving mom.
here is the link.
Age 12 King the GSD used to guard a mafia person house made friends sticking my hands thru the iron gates. Every one feared that dog. I loved him.
One day I get out of school he followed me my scent and met me at the gates.
The bullies back off that day when KING took me home. I then watched his owner beat him for doing so. I snuck a steak out to him that nite in my pants.

Later he bred to a beagle lab mix and convinced mom to get me a pup.
1st Snoopy had him 3 wks and he got worms my mom makes nortans glazed donuts and tells me dad is taking him for walk. Dad takes pup back dont want kid bro's to get worms.
To this day I cant look at glazed donuts and not thin of him. I ran to front window and he was crying for me. I NEVER forgive mom for that.

I started cleaning kennels and walking dogs for North shore age 15, working adoptions age 17.Number one breed in rescue sheperds or shep X as put on cages.
Many of the GSD and many labs/pits that were in rescue from pup to adult had temp issues.
Later did training and my last rescue was from then Snoopy Shep mix .
1 up ear one down. herding behavior loved to swim lived 10 years . would herd the lawn mower.
WILL DO ANYTHING FOR a dog Fix.

High school Vet tech training every weekend 4 n 1 exchange program
Find link bay ridge animal hospital
begining of the 1980s. Held down GSDS that had epil and were put to sleep.
More White GSDS than tan this time due to movies.
GSD breeders breeding GSDS in apartment houses in bay ridge.
Loose GSD in packs in yards in Brooklyn all the time.
take allowance to feed cats and dogs.
Buy GSD book Korvette packing lot pet store age 14.
Due to buying every book on every dog My reading level grad high school at age 11.

Get engaged to first boyfriend different religon mom bribes me with Snickers GSD mix.
I move out and now cant find time for dogs need to earn money.
I volunteer at the spca on linden blvd and watch dogs get gassed mostly GSD dobes again based on movies.
I get security job working with dogs just to be with them all GSD but one dobe natural ears Satan. Patrol bklyn loading docks next to step dads lumbar company he got me in.
NO dogs for about 3 years while i worked 3 jobs at time.

Then meet hubby get Wolf hybrid as wedding gift instead of diamond.
Go thru Loss Prevention school and start working with GSD again.
Hubby wants me pregnant forces me to stop doing dangerous work.
So I work P/t grooming in pet store that sells GSD pups flat bush ave.
Go undercover with macys telecharge etc

Get new full time job as LP manager for huge store. Hire GSD as guard dogs to protect yard at nite . NO robberies untill the GSD left due to budget cuts.
used Nikko at nite wolf mix to check gates near cemetary.

During late 80's help close the very same pet shops in picket lines that as a Kid I would go in an play with the pups in the window.

This is just up to age 25 and im pooped.
I later became a CGC tester, ive handled White shepherds in ring, I travel the USA to Mexico for dog shows, i attended every trail sport thing i Can, I run 4 h , I teach handling,
I buy every book in a never ending search of knowledge.
I attend seminars by Fred lanting I spend a few hrs on tel with him.
I attend walkathons for SPCA and raise runds, I groomed for a few years.
Added on this I still assist in rescue, i have am friends with the top breeders in many breeds still learning, i study GSD and HD as it pertains to Penn Hip.
I buy sheep and attended herding trails.

Ok sorry putting 30 + years in a post has tired be beyond belief.

If more people understood the drive of a GSD and kept them as they should be we would NOT have he rescues we have or the changing of the breed.
i have xerox copy of a rare edition of the 1st GSD book by the Capt which includes the wolf dogs put in ( not in older editions_ ) he never invisioned the breed as a pet that did NOT WORK.

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Exactly, pretty redundant isn't it...

It's your opinion unless it's cold hard fact...show me a FACT? You can't. Write me another page explaining how I"m not looking at it objectively, I used my own case to prove that 1/1000 isn't an accurate number...you're the one that quoted that, so back it up. You're using your own personal experience and touting it as facts, which it is not.

I'm done with this thread, if you cannot provide a fact (like the wolf-dog thing, lots of debate on that, never PROVEN as a fact, only speculated and talked about) then you aren't debating, you are the one driven by your own personal assessment rather than what it is and is not.

that is all OPINION. absolutely no FACT

just like that 1/1000 thing is OPINION


and as for being kept as pets. yes, my GSD is a "pet" and she may not do the work described in a book about GSDs written God knows when, but she is mentally and physically stimulated.

wether its walks, agility, obedience, herding, schutz, etc.. etc.. GSDs "work" in MANY different ways. and being a PET is one of the most important jobs a dog could have.

and finding FACT in a book written a million years ago is like me saying that the earth is square because a book from back then says so lol