we had our first lesson now that twist is set firm and fun as all get out..he is just a styling kind a guy..and crawl is swweeeet too..all across the room..so today i set the treat down..stradled him put the treat in front of him..and took one leg while i whispered in his ear touch it..touch it..then i had him sit set the treat a few inches from his feet..and he already had his leg up..he knew it wasn't shake, that this was different but not quite sure what to do with it now that it was up..i took my hand and touched the treat gently..then took his paw and did the same..reward and tons of praise..i think he pretty much has the right idea. We waited an hour and in a few we will do it one more time before i pick mary up. I wish you could see his grin, he is just loving this. Bronki learned everything in one lesson, but he was an unusual dog...Vic is quick study tho and i am having a blast..thanks Shyeow! For being my inspiration!