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Old 02-26-2008, 03:04 AM
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My personal experience suggests that a dog's bite pressure is directly related to how much he is trying to hurt you. A dog that is stressed and "fighting for his life" bites hard, where a dog that is "playing" bites with just enough pressure to hang on, if that. The dogs that bite the hardest usually won't run 50 yards to bite you, but if you "attack" them, they put everything they have into the fight. Take a breed that is fairly consistent, say GSDs. There is still a ton of variation in the bite pressure based on mood in the dog. Way more than 5%. More like 200%.

My female malinois often times flies off the sleeve through lack of pressure. My male is 1/3 larger but bites way harder, feels like 3-4 times harder. (I made the mistake of letting him bite her soft sleeve on me one time, so I learned the hard way just how hard he is biting. I really thought for a few seconds that he may have broken my skinny little arm)

Personally the dogs I have seen with the hardest bite pressure were rotties, but they are also usually more defensive, less prey motivated dogs. If you can get a pit to bite a sleeve, it's usually out of prey, as most pits want nothing to do with biting a person. So pits don't bite as hard as rotties as a general rule. And of course, training can condition a dog to bite hard or even teach him that increasing the pressure allows him to win, making bite pressure at least partially learned and conditioned.

In any case, I got a nice little "soft" bite from a Labrador one time and I can assure everyone that bite pressure isn't all that when you're not wearing protection. Maybe it was only 100psi, but those **** canines went through my wrist like butter and I got to spend $500 and an afternoon in urgent care cleaning that bite up. No fun.
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Old 02-26-2008, 07:24 AM
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In any case, I got a nice little "soft" bite from a Labrador one time and I can assure everyone that bite pressure isn't all that when you're not wearing protection. Maybe it was only 100psi, but those **** canines went through my wrist like butter and I got to spend $500 and an afternoon in urgent care cleaning that bite up. No fun.
What? I was completely with you until this part....It must have been a Pit not a Lab, everyone knows that Labs don't bite people
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Old 02-26-2008, 07:32 AM
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Goldens either, but tell that to my training partner who took a bite on the hand by a friendly Golden!

That video has a lot wrong with it. First, what's the point of having the dog jump off a table to bite. Second, the guy catching the dogs had no clue on how to do it- very dangerous for the dog, he wasn't "giving" and absorbing the force of the dog coming at him, he was holding steady and firm. That's how you jam up a dog's neck.

A better test would have been on leash, amp the dog up, send him to the sleeve, and have the handler pull back on the dog while the decoy pulls the other way- this makes the dog hold on harder.

I agree with Dana that how hard a dog bites depends on how serious he thinks the situation is. Put defensive pressure on Gunnar- crack a whip at his feet, get him serious- he bites harder. Send him over a wall to a guy with a sleeve, he doesn't bite as hard, he's playing a game of tug.
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A better test would have been on leash, amp the dog up, send him to the sleeve, and have the handler pull back on the dog while the decoy pulls the other way- this makes the dog hold on harder.

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The test was flawed for what he was actually testing for "max bite pressure of an animal", but since all three dogs were tested the same way, it was "ok" for testing comparative psi bites.
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Old 02-26-2008, 02:33 PM
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I would like to see them repeat the test with more individual dogs. Like, 20 GSD, 20 Rotties, 20 pits, etc. and then average out the PSI.
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Old 02-26-2008, 03:18 PM
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I would like to see them repeat the test with more individual dogs. Like, 20 GSD, 20 Rotties, 20 pits, etc. and then average out the PSI.
I am not sure why PSI is such a sexy stat. You need less than that 100 PSI to crush a throat....isn't the difference between 250 and 350 really just about overkill. Like what kills you "Deader" a 12 gauge or 10 gauge shot gun.

There have been a bunch of studies that have revealed the Pit Bull as a super strong biter is a myth, I am actually surprised that knowledgeable dog people still debate its validity.
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Old 02-26-2008, 04:12 PM
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This is actually a good point. What does it matter if pits have stronger PSI or not? A bite is a bite is a bite.
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This is actually a good point. What does it matter if pits have stronger PSI or not? A bite is a bite is a bite.
Yes a bite is a bite from dogs of similar sizes....but Laser beam eyes, now that would be something special!
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It's a money racket. The American Pit Bull Terrier makes money for the Government imagine all they money they will make when they force us to have them Property ID'd and on "medications" for ownership, just think about it. It will be the new way to steal yo moneys.

Hummm which Breed will be next ?

Yep... you guessed it !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 02-26-2008, 10:13 PM
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Bigger the dog, bigger the bite. Its not that complicated, lol. Nothing to do with breed. I have heard from dog protection websites that presa canarios have harder bites than rotties and I dont doubt it... presas are bigger than rotties.

Take a look at some of the comments about this video on YouTube... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7jhrxy0HKs

"I have pit bulls bigger than any rottie I have seen!!". "My pits are 102 pounds!!". Give me a break... only in your dreams buddy. Now go stroke your ego somewhere else...
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