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Old 08-16-2007, 10:44 PM
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Sorry, I was actually speaking to Boemy.
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Old 08-16-2007, 10:51 PM
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our training tools (staves or collars) are phased out once training is advanced. as a matter of fact most of our dogs need no equipment at all..
But the point is that staves and collars ARE used, particularily when the dog s inexperienced and still learning, this shoudl be the time that a trainer embraces the good behaviour to insure it follows.

Physical Corrections only show the dog what they are doing that is wrong.
Positive Reinforcement teaches the dog that being naughty isn't worth it, because it focus's on good behaviour, the dog feels more inclined to repeat what we deem appropriate as they are being rewarded for it. whereas physical corrections only point out the bad aspects of training to a dog, which will decrease its willingness to take part in training.
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Old 08-16-2007, 10:56 PM
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sigh..... okay let me try explaining this again because this is a very important aspect of our training. when a dog is in begining classes we do not use a stave (some dogs never see one). we DO pet and praise when our dog does complete a command as given every time. also, dogs need to know if they did something wrong- it shouldnt be ignored. someone has totally misinformed you guys on what we do. where is swilson anyway????
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Old 08-16-2007, 11:05 PM
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I also think that if a dog gets punished for something, they just see the punishment as tellning them not to get CAUGHT doing it. PR teaches the dog that there is no point in partaking in bad behaviour (begging, digging, chewing etc) because there is much more reward in not doing it.

Punishment means you'll just have a dog that doesn't want to get caught, but given the chance, will still do whatever it is thats bad behaviour.
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Old 08-16-2007, 11:05 PM
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... anyone know any Körung savy trainers in the USA by chance? I know there was alot of controversy oversea's not to long ago and certain parts banned it.. I was thinking maybe the event wondered over here?
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Old 08-17-2007, 12:53 AM
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Hello Everyone: New to the forum.

I will say that the Louisville dog community is a buzz about the conversations that have been going on about Mr. Richling.

I have been an active member with animal organizations in Louisville for over 20 years. Mr. Richling is considered a controversial figure in the animal community in Louisville, and has been ever since he started training in Louisville.

Mr. Richling has the reputation of being a brash, arrogant, abrasive, know it all, who is a complete lunatic. Reading thru these forums, I see that his reputation procedes him.

I will say for every positive comment you find about Mr. Richling you will find at least 10 people that have something negative to say. Does his training methods work? Maybe & Maybe not !! I guess it depends upon your definition of working. I do know that alot of people have quit his classes because they can't handle him as a person.

I think if you have to use a stave under any circumstances no matter how soft or hard you use it on an dog and call it training, then yes you are going to have a lot of people raise a lot of questions. This is extremely old school

I see that Mr. Richling keeps asking his methods might be controversial but do they work? If you have to hit a dog with a stave or give a dog a hard correction with a prong collar in order to get to the promise land of having your dog trained then it excessively too much.

I ask this question, if the high road & low road both lead to the same destination which one would you take?
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Old 08-17-2007, 01:54 AM
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Very good post DoggieDog, welcome to the forum
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