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Old 10-12-2007, 09:38 AM
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Rrrright...lol, as more profanity slings forth. One of the first things people on the defensive do is deflect blame and use misdirection. My kiddos, 6 and 4 y/o BTW, do that a lot...mostly when they know they've done something worth being defensive about.
You just used the same tactic your condeming Save for using. You didn't answer which other forums you've seen her say "this is my last post because etc."

Couple of observations from reading here:

1. The forum has changed. To say other wise is a tad bit nieve. Forums always change, new members join and old members leave, thus the tone and discussion topics of a forum change and evolve over time. A forum might still hold it's original intent but the way it's conveyed is different now then it was last month which is different from last year and it will be different a year from now also. In order to stay afloat it has to change. Whether you notice the change or not as it goes with what you want the forum to be or do or do not have any problem with the changes that take place.
If you still want to believe the forum has never changed, I have a Hendrix air guitar for sale that you might be interested in.

2. When old members, core members and some of the mod staff start bickering in open public like is happening right now generally there is something pretty darn wrong. In this case it seems to be about the types of members and freedom of speach afforded to them that have joined of late. I've seen more then a few topics and wondered "how the hell isn't this locked yet". Of course I don't always report it so I suppose that makes me just as guilty as the moron posting blatantly stupid comments... however I've noticed that on the occassions I have hit the report post button it still takes a while for anything to get done... and what thats complained about we get told that people here have the right to free speach and that moderators don't exist to do members bidding.
So then what becomes the value behind hitting that button to report trolls and other unpleasantries... look at how many people a certain member who was recently banned offended and that was pretty well agreed on that they weren't a beneficial member to the community, before corrective action was taken?

3. Lastly I'm probably going to step out of line here... but Chazhound I find it pretty interesting your criticising somebody else for speaking about what Chazhound is all about when, in my time here, this is the most active I've ever seen you in a single topic with all of two posts. You are the least active, yet still present, administrator I've seen on any of them dozen plus forums I've been to over the years. You don't speak about what Chazhound is all about anymore... I'm sure there was a time when you were fairly active but in the basically year that I've been lurking and then joined and began posting you haven't spoken up, you've let your members and moderators do the speaking for you in regards to what this forum is about.
I'm sure you've got a lot of other things to do as we can all agree, web forums don't control any of our lives (unless you create web forums and work for some of the forum companies for a living I guess) but perhaps having a bit more visible presence wouldn't be such a terrible thing for the sake of the community. At least that way we might be able to avoid the part of the arguement where what the community is about comes into play.

Please note, this is not meant as attack or to be offensive so hopefully it will not be taken as such, trying to be helpful in the only way I know how
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Old 10-12-2007, 09:41 AM
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I think this is one of the most active and perceptible forums I've ever been a member.
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Old 10-12-2007, 09:43 AM
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You just used the same tactic your condeming Save for using. You didn't answer which other forums you've seen her say "this is my last post because etc."

Actually, you have no idea if I answered her or not..if it was done in PM...which I might or might not have done today...tomorrow...three days from now...or yesterday.

I explained her behavior reminded me of my kids...which it does...and I asked her if she'd considered a possibility...which is a valid thing to ask...I offered her a solution....which is also valid.

No deflection here.
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Old 10-12-2007, 09:47 AM
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Actually, you have no idea if I answered her or not..if it was done in PM...which I might or might not have done today...tomorrow...three days from now...or yesterday.

I explained her behavior reminded me of my kids...which it does...and I asked her if she'd considered a possibility...which is a valid thing to ask...I offered her a solution....which is also valid.

No deflection here.
True I don't know if you privately messaged Save. However you made the accusations in a public setting and then the defense was put to you in a public setting.
To continue on your course of action of pointing out/proving this isn't the first time she's done this you'd have to post at least one other forum where she's taken this route in order to make your statement credible.
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Old 10-12-2007, 09:51 AM
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To agree with you I'd have to agree that an accusation, rather than an observation was made...so we're at a likely permanent...impasse.
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Old 10-12-2007, 09:54 AM
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To agree with you I'd have to agree that an accusation, rather than an observation was made...so we're at a likely permanent...impasse.
That's true, since i'm not about to budge in my belief in was an accusation and I'd highly doubt you're going to yield and say it wasn't an observation

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Old 10-12-2007, 09:54 AM
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Thoughtful post Sharky.

I have stayed out of this thread for the most part, because I find it silly.

I like trolls, they are fun. If you don't like them no one makes you read the threads. I like a good debate, its stimulating, and hones your arguments. Some people are made uncomfortable by debates-no one is making you read them.

Holding your dogs head under water is wrong. So is child abuse. Linking them isn't a bad thing. Most people know child abuse is wrong. Obviously the people holding their dog's heads underwater, don't know it's wrong. Linking them rhetorically could shock people into seeing the connection of violence done to those with less power, and see that behaviour as dog abuse.

I agree that letting people speak their mind isn't the same as welcoming them. I thought the MR threads were beneficial to the dog world in general. Now when people google his name, these threads come up. They can now read them and decide if he is the sort of trainer they want; training styles, and as a person. MR, and his cronies, joining in harmed them far more than they may realize. If it stops only one person from choosing abusive methods, then that thread was a success.

The more things change, the more things stay the same. This is a public forum, there are always these issues on a public forum. But the tone and feel of a forum will change to match those of the members.

So really what is the this fuss all about?
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Old 10-12-2007, 09:55 AM
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Whats the point of reporting anything, when people get told over and over again that everyone is entitled to their opinion (even if their opinion is ok that people half-drown dogs and hit them with sticks while training, and dont see a problems with dogs living in cages and breeding them every chance they get)

But I guess thats ok, cause they get to have an opinion cause this is an Open forum right... Guess it doesnt matter that some people actually care right ??

and Sparks Im not even going to go there with you, but your one to be talking...
Where do you see me OK half-drowned dogs? Where so I say it is OK to hit dogs with sticks? Or living in Cages? Or Breeding abuse? What makes you think you love and care for dogs more than Chazhound or it's mods?

If you see abusive behavior you can report it anytime you want, but you decided not too. We have over 1000 posts a day and we can't read them all. But we investigate every reported post. We have much better tools than you to find out the real stories and associations. We don't guess or run someone off just because a member says they are bad or got rubbed the wrong way.

We have over 800,000 posts on this forum and I only hear of the same example over and over. It is like you don't see any of the vast good Chazhound has to offer.

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Old 10-12-2007, 09:56 AM
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THat's the kind of private stuff i don't want to read. THe mud slinging, the name calling, the pointing out, the insulting. YOur given two options, the ignore button and the pm. WHy must it be dragged out where someone has to read it? WHen i come to Chazhound, i feel like i am coming to an establishment. A place where we all sit down and discuss what we care about. A place provided by someone willing to make the time and effort to allow us to discuss what we care about. Insulting how that person does this, or how much imput they have to me is beyond rude. Maybe it effects no one else that way, but it does me. If they don't like the way this forum is run, then they should go make one of their own. I once wrote i found a treasure when i was a newbie. Not one bit of that has changed for me. I do find this whole unpleasant business to be stirred by a few that seem to enjoy keeping it going. I hate to think that newbies come in and see this and think wtf. I know it will blow over, and that will be that, but to insult CHazhound, what it stands for, what it is about, is just wrong.
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Old 10-12-2007, 09:57 AM
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Absolutely!

Agreeing to disagree is a great tool, that should be used more often, in forum life and "real life", both.
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