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Old 07-05-2005, 02:14 PM
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I agree with what I read here. I own a 20 month pit, she is a angle, been raised properly, loved etc but like with any animal it will take just once. The first time pits taste blood they will go for more. Then on the other side of the fence any dog depending on how it is raised will be more docille if raised that way. Both my dogs are outside during the day, inside at night, my pit knows my voice and the change if I am upset, she will act accordinally, but she pushed her limits also. Any large breed dog if bred to be mean will do just that.
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Old 07-05-2005, 03:04 PM
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He also saw a naked woman at a very young age. Which drove him to believe that women were just dolls that could be played with or even killed--they weren't human beings to him.

That said, it was a TRAUMATIZING experience.

Can you give me an example of a serial killing without motive?
Seeing a naked woman is a traumatizing experience We are talking about a little (as in 3 or 4 years old) boy here. Many little boys see their Moms naked when they are that young and they don't grow up to be killers.

I know there is a lot that goes into this subject...trust me, I have spent a huge deal of time studying the subject along with taking serial murder when I was in college. It never stops facinating me.

When you ask the motive question, that is such a broad question and in order to properly answer it one would have to truly define motive. In these dog attacks you could argue that the dog had motive and that was to act upon instinct. I don't know if I buy the reasons serial killers kill as motive. It seems much deeper than collecting on a life insurance policy or covering up an affair. Serial killers kill for much deeper reasons than something like motive.
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Old 07-05-2005, 03:58 PM
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Seeing a naked woman is a traumatizing experience We are talking about a little (as in 3 or 4 years old) boy here. Many little boys see their Moms naked when they are that young and they don't grow up to be killers.

I know there is a lot that goes into this subject...trust me, I have spent a huge deal of time studying the subject along with taking serial murder when I was in college. It never stops facinating me.

When you ask the motive question, that is such a broad question and in order to properly answer it one would have to truly define motive. In these dog attacks you could argue that the dog had motive and that was to act upon instinct. I don't know if I buy the reasons serial killers kill as motive. It seems much deeper than collecting on a life insurance policy or covering up an affair. Serial killers kill for much deeper reasons than something like motive.
He saw it at a young age... yes, it may not seem traumatizing to you but apparently it was to him.

Yes, it was deeper. And you just proved my point--they kill for deep reasons. There is something that triggers that deep reason. Something HAS to trigger it, it doesn't come on it's own.

I don't if it was his mom or not... but there's a difference between seeing "mom" naked or some stranger through a window or something... we don't know what age he saw it at, either.

He saw her naked and thought of her as nothing but a toy--not as a human being. It may not have been the REASON he killed but it may have set the path. Why do you think he targeted women only?

"Serial killers kill for much deeper reasons than something like motive."

Motive=reason.

Besides, dogs are much different than people. Dogs are lovers towards humans.

I feel and I'm sure a lot of people would agree, that they don't harbor anger or resentment, they don't carry a grudge if you hit them or yell at them. Whereas an abused child could turn out to be an adult who finds himself in jail.

I know this is not the case all the time-- but it is in a lot. Why do you think most killers or people in prison always blame their parents for the way they turned out?

I saw a documentary on it, most of the way they act is acquired from a young age--usually a traumatizing experience or something that's repeatedly done like abuse-- I used to be bullied by this one person every day when I was a little younger... I let him push me around way too much. Finally, I exploded and I had sent the kid to the hospital.

It's the same thing-- you mentally can't take it anymore... until you explode--or implode.
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Old 07-05-2005, 04:56 PM
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He saw it at a young age... yes, it may not seem traumatizing to you but apparently it was to him.

Yes, it was deeper. And you just proved my point--they kill for deep reasons. There is something that triggers that deep reason. Something HAS to trigger it, it doesn't come on it's own.

I don't if it was his mom or not... but there's a difference between seeing "mom" naked or some stranger through a window or something... we don't know what age he saw it at, either.

He saw her naked and thought of her as nothing but a toy--not as a human being. It may not have been the REASON he killed but it may have set the path. Why do you think he targeted women only?

"Serial killers kill for much deeper reasons than something like motive."

Motive=reason.

Besides, dogs are much different than people. Dogs are lovers towards humans.

I feel and I'm sure a lot of people would agree, that they don't harbor anger or resentment, they don't carry a grudge if you hit them or yell at them. Whereas an abused child could turn out to be an adult who finds himself in jail.

I know this is not the case all the time-- but it is in a lot. Why do you think most killers or people in prison always blame their parents for the way they turned out?

I saw a documentary on it, most of the way they act is acquired from a young age--usually a traumatizing experience or something that's repeatedly done like abuse-- I used to be bullied by this one person every day when I was a little younger... I let him push me around way too much. Finally, I exploded and I had sent the kid to the hospital.

It's the same thing-- you mentally can't take it anymore... until you explode--or implode.
Have to say that I do agree with everything you have said. There is just a part of me that thinks there is a certain type of nature there in the first place that makes humans/dogs more suceptible to nuture error. I just hate to completley blame nurture. My sister and I were raised the same way and yet we are SO different. She loves roller coasters and they make me throw up, she loved watching "Nightmare on Elm Street" when we were kids and if I watched it it gave me horrible nightmares. People are born a certain way and if you get a certain "type" of person in the wrong nurturing situation (i.e. abuse, abandonment etc.) that is when things can take a turn for the worse. I think the same applies to dogs. Some are more susceptible to becoming a certain way if mishandled.

Glad to know there is someone else on the forum that has an interest in serial killers I could discuss that subject all day...I guess I have to remember that this is a dog forum
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Old 07-05-2005, 05:01 PM
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Yeah, I do take an interest in it.

And I also had to remember it was a dog forum.
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