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Old 06-14-2007, 09:07 PM
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House of Jurai, how many Filas have you met? I don't know a single one that I would think of as "liability" any more than a shepherd, collie or Rottweiler. Filas are a unique breed, but they're still dogs. They have a strong work ethic and want to help their owners, but they aren't the exotic monsters people make them out to be.

I have border collies. They're tough sheepdogs. To anyone who doesn't have sheep, a border collie is probably going to be more of a pain than an asset. Is that accurate?

I have no sheep. Hell, I don't even have a farm - I have 5 acres in a suburban area. I can't imagine life without my border collies and they live fulfilling lives with me. Technically, I shouldn't have them because I don't have a *need* for them. God forbid that I like them and want to have them! And when I move to Mexico, I will have a Fila too, even though I might not have a ranch that needs guarding, or slaves that need catching (my slaves would never run away ).

I have a problem with people referring to a certain breed as a liability. It's not the breed. If someone can't control their dog, then their dog is a liability. A 150lb liability is obviously more significant than a 15lb one, but the breed doesn't have much to do with how dangerous the dog is. How the owner handles the dog has everything to do with it.

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I have met quite a few. I was involved with many of the early breeders and I believe that I have more than my share of experiance with one. The differance between the Fila and other dogs is that a Fila WILL bite, and do real damage to a precieved threat. That means that you either have to be on top of the dog 24/7, or be willing to face a serious lawsuit in an urban enviorment. Filas react very quickly and they are faster, stronger and more agile than most of thier owners. They are also very vigilent and aware. It is easy for people to let thier guard down and with that breed you never can, ever. That is just a rough situation for the average dog owner. Other quick trigger breeds like the Komondorok & SRO also fall into this catagory. They are just 100% than what most have been accostomed too.

I believe it is best to rely on the typical, not count on the atypical. Most potentital owners have no business with a Fila.

Just like most hunters have no business with a howitzer.
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Old 06-14-2007, 10:47 PM
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I have met quite a few. I was involved with many of the early breeders and I believe that I have more than my share of experiance with one. The differance between the Fila and other dogs is that a Fila WILL bite, and do real damage to a precieved threat. That means that you either have to be on top of the dog 24/7, or be willing to face a serious lawsuit in an urban enviorment. Filas react very quickly and they are faster, stronger and more agile than most of thier owners. They are also very vigilent and aware. It is easy for people to let thier guard down and with that breed you never can, ever. That is just a rough situation for the average dog owner. Other quick trigger breeds like the Komondorok & SRO also fall into this catagory. They are just 100% than what most have been accostomed too.

I believe it is best to rely on the typical, not count on the atypical. Most potentital owners have no business with a Fila.

Just like most hunters have no business with a howitzer.
Perhaps you should do some research on the breed. While Filas are an incredible breed and are certainly not for an inexperienced owner, they pose no more of a threat than my neighbors chihuahua...
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Old 06-14-2007, 11:13 PM
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Sorry missconceptions based on not living with one or working with them can lead to wrong ideas being passed from site to site.

I have met over a 100 Filas, judged a few and lived in a car for 6 days with 2 different lines different training methods ( one show dog / TT the PP bite trained fila / show dog. Both Family dogs, and they A push potential threats out of the way, lean on percieved strangers when they are too close to owners, and when in full protection they do NOT destroy a stranger but save up the bad bites for real threats. They can also be trained to OUT and to "Guard" which leads to intelligence above and beyond what I assumed the breed could do.

69 Fila in a crowd of 10,000 and one had a muzzle .
NOt one acted as described and these bystanders were kinda NOT very dog smart the dogs however OUTSMARTED them.

They are far from the fastest most agile Molosser, the only negative for novice dog owners is they do NOT bark allot or give much verbal warning.
They are NOT built for speed and are laid back dogs that simply " do watch everything and everyone ".

As per standard they should be PACK dogs bred to hunt track in packs they should NOT be dog aggressive with a exception of one line that bred in dog aggression.
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Old 06-14-2007, 11:14 PM
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Perhaps you should do some research on the breed. While Filas are an incredible breed and are certainly not for an inexperienced owner, they pose no more of a threat than my neighbors chihuahua...
Oh C'mon now. You are saying that a Chihuahua jaw that is not even an inch long would do as much damage as a Fila? Really,,, no need for theatrics.
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Old 06-14-2007, 11:21 PM
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Oh C'mon now. You are saying that a Chihuahua jaw that is not even an inch long would do as much damage as a Fila? Really,,, no need for theatrics.
You completely missed the point. I suggest some further research on the breed before you spread misconceptions regarding them. Filas don't bite... they restrain. Now... the nearest ankle biter near you.. that's a different story.

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Sorry missconceptions based on not living with one or working with them can lead to wrong ideas being passed from site to site.... are laid back dogs that simply " do watch everything and everyone ".
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What she said ^
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Old 06-14-2007, 11:22 PM
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I have met quite a few. I was involved with many of the early breeders and I believe that I have more than my share of experiance with one. The differance between the Fila and other dogs is that a Fila WILL bite, and do real damage to a precieved threat. That means that you either have to be on top of the dog 24/7, or be willing to face a serious lawsuit in an urban enviorment. Filas react very quickly and they are faster, stronger and more agile than most of thier owners. They are also very vigilent and aware. It is easy for people to let thier guard down and with that breed you never can, ever. That is just a rough situation for the average dog owner. Other quick trigger breeds like the Komondorok & SRO also fall into this catagory. They are just 100% than what most have been accostomed too.

I believe it is best to rely on the typical, not count on the atypical. Most potentital owners have no business with a Fila.

Just like most hunters have no business with a howitzer.
Wow that is a bit harsh don't you think ? I wonder how many ACD's you have met as well. I would hope that people interested in Filas as well as any other breed would of course so their research on them before getting one. If you know how to handle a certain breed because of their characteristics you are better off in any dog breed. I have seen in my time a great number of breeds that are supposedly gentle that will eat you alive.
I can't speak for Filas because I have never run across one to my knowledge but I will say this. The ACD is notorious for aggressive tendency and if they are socialized and properly handled the chance is less likely then in ones used to do exactly what they are bred to do. When I had working ACDs I did not want them to be friendly and neither were my Catahoulas. They would eat you if you went into the cattle fields.
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Old 06-14-2007, 11:30 PM
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People who are insisting that Fila's don't bite are selling snake oil. The Fila was bred expressly for a unique trait. The total hatred of strangers. It isn't aloofness, it isn't an issue of socialisation, it is insticntive hatred of strangers that is the hallmark of the breed. To understate this point is just flat out wrong. A Fila will kill someone who it precieves as a threat. Seeing dogs off of there home turf is not a proper way to evaluate Fila temperment. The taritorial nature of the dog along with the hatred of strangers instinct makes them very dangerous to who they feel are intruders on to thier property.

Brenda Bagwell will tell u the same thing.
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Old 06-14-2007, 11:37 PM
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People who are insisting that Fila's don't bite are selling snake oil. The Fila was bred expressly for a unique trait. The total hatred of strangers. It isn't aloofness, it isn't an issue of socialisation, it is insticntive hatred of strangers that is the hallmark of the breed. To understate this point is just flat out wrong. A Fila will kill someone who it precieves as a threat. Seeing dogs off of there home turf is not a proper way to evaluate Fila temperment. The taritorial nature of the dog along with the hatred of strangers instinct makes them very dangerous to who they feel are intruders on to thier property.

Brenda Bagwell will tell u the same thing.
Whose got the theatrics goin' now.

It's a natural distrust of strangers, not this obscene hatred that will cause them to explode and kill at first sight of an intruder.

ETA: This is what Brenda Bagwell says about the breed, I suppose I missed the part where she says the fila will kill?

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The Fila is a large, powerful and loving animal originating in Brazil. A result of dogs crossed with English Mastiffs, Bulldogs and Bloodhounds. The Fila is an excellent hunter, unsurpassed guardian and a very willing candidate for obedience as well as police work. Powerful enough to take down big game yet docile enough to play with small children in the home.



The Fila puppy is inclined to attach itself quickly to those with whom it lives and to be suspicious of people it does not know. Some are even so bold as to growl at intruders. You will not see this is in all pups. It is the exception rather than the rule.



In his home, the Fila is a very devoted member of the family, very obedient and humble with a never ending thirst to be caressed or touched by it's family members.



The feature that is most apparent in a Fila's temperament is its sharp aversion to strangers. This will become more apparent as the puppy grows. At approximately one year of age the Fila will begin to show its true temperament as it will become very open and honest about its distrust or dislike of strangers on its property or when it feels it's owner is being threatened. It is also quite normal for males to mature at a slower rate than the females. This is true of most animals.



This type of behavior will sometimes be seen in much younger dogs though is not unusual for puppies to be friendly, especially if socialized properly. If you intend to show your Fila it is very important to socialize it at an early age.
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Old 06-14-2007, 11:43 PM
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IF Filas were bred to track down and GRAB runaway slaves.
Because the Bloodhounds would track but not grab

What good is a dead slave? Why have I heard of no one dying from a Fila in the USA?

Dogs bred to track are not working on home turf.

The Hatrid was bred into them so that slaves would NOT be able to BRIBE or poisen them when kenneled.

Mind you when I slept at a Fila Kennel in Tenn, I was told DO not go out into the yard without the owner but that is the same for most guardian breeds.

The difference is the Filas I traveled with were very well trained and socialized to outside stimuli NOT strangers.
They did NOT express affection to me like LGDS do .
But get more relaxed around you the more time you spend with them.

I could NOT go into the car without the owners .
However once OK was given they were kinda lovable and soon accepted me and stopped alerting to my presence.
And slobbered all over me.. Which I guess is a sign of affection since I survived .
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Old 06-14-2007, 11:51 PM
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From Linda Ramey's website: The temperament of the Fila Brasileiro is unique among dog breeds. The Fila is above all a guardian breed and will attack strangers to defend its home and family. This breed is not for everyone and needs socialization and training. The key rule to owning a Fila is understanding that the dog does not like anyone but its owners and should be kept away from casual visitors. Filas do not understand the difference between Aunt Sue visiting at Christmas and an intruder sneaking into your house at 2 AM. To the dog they are both outsiders who do not belong. While individual dogs may vary in temperament, potential Fila lovers need to accept that ojeriza is part of the package and not try to convince themselves they can change this breed trait.


Linda is arguably one of the top breeders of Fila's in the world.

Ojeriza translates to Hatred of strangers. Hatred, not aloofness, not dislike, Hatred.
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