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Old 03-21-2007, 10:56 AM
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Default Beagle Standard...& Breeders

First, don't jump to conclusions... I'm not planning on getting another dog

but, Ug! There are a lot of beagle breeders, and I've been trying to screen through them... there's a lot of BYB's with "my huntin' dog and the neighbors huntin' dog" which I'm very much trying to avoid. My friend had a beagle years ago that was her heart dog, but as he got older he got severe allergies and knee problems. I know there's always a chance, but I'm trying to help out a little by finding a breeder that does health screens... 13" variety...
I contacted the National AKC Beagle Club for a breeder reference, looking for a good breeder. I got a very short list - I was disapointed.
This was the first suggestion
http://sundownbeagles.com/

And the others e-mailed me pictures as well.
I'm kind of disapointed! I'm not really fond of the look of most of the studs! Then, maybe, I thought my idea of the ideal beagle is wrong, so I double checked the AKC Standard:

Ears set on moderately low, long, reaching when drawn out nearly, if not quite, to the end of the nose; fine in texture, fairly broad-with almost entire absence of erectile power-setting close to the head, with the forward edge slightly inturning to the cheek--rounded at tip. -- Some of the breeders dogs' ears looked "basset-y" to me
Muzzle of medium length-straight and square--cut--the stop moderately defined. -- meduim length... as in NOT short like a puggles, right??!
Defects--A very flat skull, narrow across the top; excess of dome, eyes small, sharp and terrierlike, or prominent and protruding; muzzle long, snipy or cut away decidedly below the eyes, or very short. Roman-nosed, or upturned, giving a dish-face expression. Ears short, set on high or with a tendency to rise above the point of origin. -- it doesn't really say anything about droopy eyes (unless I'm not reading it right?) but that's something that's frowned upon, right? I just don't ... like it... I guess
Body
Neck and Throat--Neck rising free and light from the shoulders strong in substance yet not loaded, of medium length. The throat clean and free from folds of skin; a slight wrinkle below the angle of the jaw, however, may be allowable. Defects--A thick, short, cloddy neck carried on a line with the top of the shoulders. Throat showing dewlap and folds of skin to a degree termed "throatiness." **throatiness...
Shoulders and Chest
Defects--Straight, upright shoulders. Chest disproportionately wide or with lack of depth.
Back, Loin and Ribs
Defects--Very long or swayed or roached back. Flat, narrow loin. Flat ribs.
Forelegs and Feet
Defects--Out at elbows. Knees knuckled over forward, or bent backward. Forelegs crooked or Dachshundlike. Feet long, open or spreading.
Hips, Thighs, Hind Legs and Feet
Defects--Cowhocks, or straight hocks. Lack of muscle and propelling power. Open feet.
Tail
Defects--A long tail. Teapot curve or inclined forward from the root. Rat tail with absence of brush.
Coat
A close, hard, hound coat of medium length. Defects--A short, thin coat, or of a soft quality.
Color
Any true hound color.
-- which is? So what about those "rare blues and reds"?
General Appearance
A miniature Foxhound, solid and big for his inches, with the wear-and-tear look of the hound that can last in the chase and follow his quarry to the death.



Does anyone know of any good breeders in my area?
Any thoughts? Comments? Translations of the breed standard for non-confirmation people like me? TIA!
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Old 03-21-2007, 11:22 AM
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Old 03-21-2007, 11:35 AM
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I agree, that fourth beagle looks very odd. The head shape is off and the ears are strange. The second has strange ears as well. I can't really help you with a breeder, as our Lilly came from a farm, but good luck!
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Old 03-21-2007, 11:59 AM
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It was Toby wasnt it .
He is a cutie! I would if I could, lol, but I can't... just helping a friend
(my help is seeming counter-productive right now, though LOL)

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I agree, that fourth beagle looks very odd. The head shape is off and the ears are strange. The second has strange ears as well. I can't really help you with a breeder, as our Lilly came from a farm, but good luck!
Well, at least I'm not the only one who thinks so lol
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Ekkk! Be very carefull by us! Our friends "adopted" a beagle a year or so ago and turns out the lady wanted them to breed the thing the dog was horribly sick and had soooo many issues. this lady went under a rescue but she bred everything she had

Right now over on the street chaz lives off of(the one open door and convienant is on over by condor gardens there-I should know the street name huh) has two seperate beagel for sale signs out by the road-I cringe everytime I go by! Ones 75 and another fifty.

there are actually a few hunters I know out here were I would pick there dogs over a lot of others any second. they may not health tests but they run these dogs training all the time and they have mroe than proven themselves. Its jsut hard to pick out who actually does it good and who jsut has two hunting dogs they let breed. I don't know anyone that has had a litter or even plans on it anytime soon though.

I have seen some gorgoues beagles at the pound but not lately.

the last show out at the ix center had the cutest beagles but god knows I didn't get the breeders name-I had to drag myself away
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Hunting Beagles or show Beagles.....it's a personal preference. I for one would rather a Beagle that was bred to hunt & comes down from proven hunting lines than some pretty little sissified AKC version. The looks are definitely different. Especially since that is what they were specifically bred for. But that's me.

I live in the south where Beagles are common rabbit & squirrel dogs. And I know many hunters who have kennels. But I also know that these guys breed for themselves, they cull, & you would be lucky to get a dog from them. But if someone does get a dog from them, it is usually given away as a sign of good gesture/friendship as these people aren't in the business of breeding just to sell puppies to people with cash.

For example, one of the vets I work with has about 60 Running Walker Coonhounds....or rather her husband does. But he's a huge hunter & every single dog he owns is a hunting dog & is a proven one at that. If it doesn't hunt, the dog is culled (euthanized). That's just the way it is. I had to beg & plead for 2 years before I got 2 dogs from them (we use them as bay dogs for hog hunting) & even then it was 2 dogs that were "culls" because they would run anything in sight instead of focusing just on squirrels and rabbits.

But I'm just an ol' southern gal at heart.
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Ekkk! Be very carefull by us! Our friends "adopted" a beagle a year or so ago and turns out the lady wanted them to breed the thing the dog was horribly sick and had soooo many issues. this lady went under a rescue but she bred everything she had

Right now over on the street chaz lives off of(the one open door and convienant is on over by condor gardens there-I should know the street name huh) has two seperate beagel for sale signs out by the road-I cringe everytime I go by! Ones 75 and another fifty.

there are actually a few hunters I know out here were I would pick there dogs over a lot of others any second. they may not health tests but they run these dogs training all the time and they have mroe than proven themselves. Its jsut hard to pick out who actually does it good and who jsut has two hunting dogs they let breed. I don't know anyone that has had a litter or even plans on it anytime soon though.

I have seen some gorgoues beagles at the pound but not lately.

the last show out at the ix center had the cutest beagles but god knows I didn't get the breeders name-I had to drag myself away
Be careful in our area with dogs . ! I swear sometimes I just want to knock people - they have no common sense!
There are a lot of BYB beagle (and other breeds) breeders in the area. Which is why I was more inclinded to help my friend by contacting the AKC Beagle club for breeders first. I thought that was a good start... but I guess not
I've also been keeping my eyes on the pound website. My friend wants a puppy, but I bet if I made her "just" go and look, she'd change her mind. I can be very persuasive I haven't seen any lately, though. Lots of labs, though!

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Hunting Beagles or show Beagles.....it's a personal preference. I for one would rather a Beagle that was bred to hunt & comes down from proven hunting lines than some pretty little sissified AKC version. The looks are definitely different. Especially since that is what they were specifically bred for. But that's me.

I live in the south where Beagles are common rabbit & squirrel dogs. And I know many hunters who have kennels. But I also know that these guys breed for themselves, they cull, & you would be lucky to get a dog from them. But if someone does get a dog from them, it is usually given away as a sign of good gesture/friendship as these people aren't in the business of breeding just to sell puppies to people with cash.

For example, one of the vets I work with has about 60 Running Walker Coonhounds....or rather her husband does. But he's a huge hunter & every single dog he owns is a hunting dog & is a proven one at that. If it doesn't hunt, the dog is culled (euthanized). That's just the way it is. I had to beg & plead for 2 years before I got 2 dogs from them (we use them as bay dogs for hog hunting) & even then it was 2 dogs that were "culls" because they would run anything in sight instead of focusing just on squirrels and rabbits.

But I'm just an ol' southern gal at heart.
I may not be a southern gal, but I'm a country girl at heart. I would snag a good ole hunting beagle up in a heart beat (even though I don't need anymore dogs)! The only thing I worry about is many don't health test, and while those problems may not 'run' in their bloodlines, my friend had to deal with the heart ache of her beagle's severe allegies and painful knees. . .
For my friend, I was wondering, if I found a good breeder for her, and they're hunting lines - would it be more likely for her to have problems with the beautiful beagle following its' nose and 'not listening', more so than a non-hunting bred breeder's dog would be? I mean, we all know how beagles are but could it be more potentially intese of a problem ?
{arg - not sure if that even made sense LOL}
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