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Old 08-20-2006, 12:18 AM
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My corgi, Winnie, was and outdoor dog for the first 8 months of her life. I have been working on housebreaking her for three months and am still not having luck. She has had two two-week-long stretches where she was reliable, but something has happened to upset her training twice. Once, a storm made her anxious and she acted like she completely forgot her training (did #1 and #2 inside the next day, and was impossible for the next week- peeing inside at every opportunity, in her crate, right after spending lots of time outside, etc). After that bad week, we spent two intense weeks of work with her during a vacation- observed her all the time, kept her on leash indoors almost all the time except right after she pottied outside, etc. She had 14 accident-free days in a row, was asking to go out, everything. Then, she ate some cat food and had diarrhea indoors, and now she's back to peeing inside. She's had two days in a row of accidents now, and didn't ask to out either time. Yesterday was my fault- I should have crated her because I wasn't watching her. But today, I took her out, she peed, and only 45 minutes later she peed inside the second I quit giving her attention. She's over a year old, and she only left a little puddle, so I know that she's not doing it because she needs to go. It's starting to feel like her peeing is an attention-getting problem rather than a housebreaking problem. She did well when we were giving her constant attention, but now that we aren't on vacation, she's back to having problems again.

She understands that potty outside=good, but she doesn't seem to understand that potty inside=bad. I'm worried that she thinks potty=good, and that when she does it she'll get a treat, no matter where she goes. I'm going to go back to leashing her all the time when she's out of her crate and reintroducing freedom slowly, but does anyone know of a way to discourage her from going inside while also encouraging her to go outside? Also, any way to get her comfortable with holding her pee for longer periods? She can go the whole night, so I know she's capable of it, but during the day she will pee every time we go out (which is every hour).

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Old 08-20-2006, 12:28 AM
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Another thing... she is kind of weird about water. When she drinks, she drinks like she's been denied water all day- fast, gulping drinking that often makes her cough and sometimes is fast enough to make her gack it back up. Any ways to get her to drink in moderation throughout the day rather than large amounts a few times a day? I'm not sure if her weird drinking habits have anything to do with her potty problems, but who knows...

(as I was typing the last sentence, she just downed half of a 20 oz. bowl of water... :-/)
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Old 08-20-2006, 01:03 AM
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Just wanted to give you my opinion. If she were my dog I would first have a vet visit and voice your concerns. They can check for UTI. They can make sure she doesn't have an inverted or juvenile vulva which can cause infections in that "area" and can lead to leakage and "having to pee now".
Also make sure you mention how she drinks her water.

If everything checks out okay, I would go home and clean anywhere she has ever eliminated with Nature's Miracle or something equal.

Does she eat dry food? If she does I would mix that with water then feed.
Dry food could be making her more thirsty (by soaking up her fluids) and then she feels the need to gulp.

Since you are not on vacation anymore, how long are you gone? Is she crated during that period?

Most dogs that were outside dogs seem to housetrain very easy (at least in my experience). That is why I am trying to help find a reason beyond basic training techniques. It seems as though you are doing the right things so I would be concerned about checking out "other" causes.

I would also like to say sometimes it takes alot longer than 3 months to fully housebreak a pup or dog for that matter. Shiloh was a slow housebreaker, she was almost 11 months before she was reliable and she started her training at 8 weeks, but wasn't trustworthy till 11 months.

There have been big changes in your dogs lifestyle etc. (for the better)
Being an inside dog now, learning new lifestyle, housebreaking, house manners, etc. I am sure you will get many more tips on housebreaking training, but I hope you rule out any medical problems first.

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I was thinking the same thing Julie.
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I would worry about a UTI if she had the same potty problems when my mom is watching her- but with my mom, she a) doesn't go potty every time she takes her out, and b) doesn't have accidents inside. I make a HUGE deal about going potty outside, treat her, everything... and I'm starting to think that Win believes going potty around me (inside or out) is a good thing. Is that possible?

Also, I would worry about her drinking more if she drank like mad all the time, but she ignores her water bowl most of the day. She eats in the evening, and does her "gulpy" drinking at night after she's eaten or in the middle of the night in her crate. I'll try adding some water to her dry food to see if that helps.

We came back from vacation on Tuesday, and since then Win has been crated 3-4 hours a day at most. Generally, when I'm working my mom is home, and when she's working I'm at home, so Win has people around most of the time. Her steps backwards in housebreaking have both corrolated with an environment change (once spending a night in a different house, once coming back from vacation), so I think she's having a hard time generalizing the idea that "inside potty=bad". I think she learned "inside cabin=bad", but it didn't carry over into "inside house=bad"...

Thanks for the advice! We'll keep plugging away at it. Today, so far so good...
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Julie,

Thanks for the suggestion to mix her food with water. It has definitely reduced her "gulpy" drinking, and she's eating her food better too.

We are on Day 3 of no accidents!
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Julie,

Thanks for the suggestion to mix her food with water. It has definitely reduced her "gulpy" drinking, and she's eating her food better too.

We are on Day 3 of no accidents!
Your welcome. Happy to hear things are starting to go better.
I am sure all your efforts will pay off in the long run.
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