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Old 07-22-2006, 08:44 PM
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In the thread below about what you would consider buying from a BYB, what do you consider a BYB. One that has several breeds, one that has one breed, one who sells to pet shops only, one whos sells out of there house and lets people see parents and kennels? Or one who sells out of the back of a car or building were you have to make an appointmnet to see first? Also would you buy a puppy from a pet shop? Why or why not?
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Old 07-22-2006, 08:56 PM
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I consider all of the above byb's, as I don't see you mention health testing anywhere.

While I do buy, (when I buy) my dogs from breeders who title, it's not the end all for me. I would have no problem buying a dog from someone who had not titled the parents IF it was something I was really interested in.

I don't know which of my lists would be shorter, what I consider a BYB or what I don't consider a BYB LOL..

Let's put it this way, if the person pumping out puppies did not health test their breeding stock, at the "very least"..I wouldn't touch them with a ten foot pole.


Would I buy from a pet store? Well I did many many years ago, my first "adult" dog, was 25$, a gsd/collie cross, that was being sold with it's littermates at a local petstore , it was a local "oops" litter. Now? no, altho I feel bad for petstore puppies, I would never buy one. I'd rescue one, but I wouldn't buy one out of a petstore.
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Old 07-22-2006, 09:09 PM
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I agree. All of them are considered BYB's. Health certs are a must as well as at least one parent having a title (depending on what your looking for). Has to have nice living conditions, see the parents, papers, pedigrees, health certs, shots up to date on pups and not leave til 8 weeks of age. That's all I can think of right now. I'm sure there is more that I've forgotten. No more than one breed also.

No pet shop pups, it supports byb's and puppy mills. Petsmart and Petco (at least the one's I've been to or worked at) have local shelters bring in dogs/cats for adoption and follow the same procedures as the shelters would in finding a suitable family.
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Old 07-22-2006, 09:15 PM
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I prefer the term high risk breeder.

A high risk breeder is anyone who is not:

doing ALL health testing
competing/working their dogs
breeding for improvement
requiring S/N of all pets
participating in breed rescue
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Old 07-22-2006, 09:53 PM
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One that has several breeds
- No, I know a few well known breeders that specialize in two breeds, but it is a full time job, they are very busy between training, showing, etc etc

one who sells to pet shops only
- Yes - NO respectible breeder would allow their puppies go to a pet store.

one whos sells out of there house and lets people see parents and kennels?
- I honestly dont know one breeder that doesn't sell their pups out of their home and allow potential buyers to come and visit?? I'd be hesitant if a breeder wouldn't allow me to meet the puppies parents!

Or one who sells out of the back of a car or building were you have to make an appointmnet to see first?
- This would worry me, and tell me to step away. Selling from a building usually means they aren't family raised. Aren't used to house behaviours etc etc. Also usually means, the puppies and parents dont get 100% attention.

Also would you buy a puppy from a pet shop? Why or why not?
- NEVER, ever, ever. Each time someone buys a pet shop puppy, a shelter puppy is killed. If you buy from pet stores, you are ALLOWING puppymills to stay in business. You are allowing bad breeder and CROSSbreeding to occur for a profit.
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Old 07-22-2006, 10:57 PM
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One that has several breeds
- No, I know a few well known breeders that specialize in two breeds, but it is a full time job, they are very busy between training, showing, etc etc

one who sells to pet shops only
- Yes - NO respectible breeder would allow their puppies go to a pet store.

one whos sells out of there house and lets people see parents and kennels?
- I honestly dont know one breeder that doesn't sell their pups out of their home and allow potential buyers to come and visit?? I'd be hesitant if a breeder wouldn't allow me to meet the puppies parents!

Or one who sells out of the back of a car or building were you have to make an appointmnet to see first?
- This would worry me, and tell me to step away. Selling from a building usually means they aren't family raised. Aren't used to house behaviours etc etc. Also usually means, the puppies and parents dont get 100% attention.

Also would you buy a puppy from a pet shop? Why or why not?
- NEVER, ever, ever. Each time someone buys a pet shop puppy, a shelter puppy is killed. If you buy from pet stores, you are ALLOWING puppymills to stay in business. You are allowing bad breeder and CROSSbreeding to occur for a profit.

Wow, that covers everything I was going to say.

Aside from the lack of health testing, often the breeding dogs are bred as soon as physically capable (5-6 mos), so the poor bitches are forced into motherhood before they are emotionally and physically ready. (Note the difference between capable and ready - that's a big span of time!)
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Old 07-23-2006, 11:03 PM
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I agree with everything that has been said but I wanted to point something out.

When people say Pet Store, they usually refer to the mall pet stores or local ones who sell "purebred" dogs for hundreds and hundreds of dollars.

PetSmart and PetCo and some others have shelters bring their animals in and they follow the adoption rules of the shelter. These animals are all spayed and neutered, vaccinated, dewormed, etc.

There are also 3 small privately owned pet shop here in Kent. Two take in litters that random people find and find them homes for $30 or so. They vaccinate, and flea dip them. I don't like the fact that they do not spay and neuter these animals, but they are not supposrting some puppy mill or something. The third privately owned pet shop used to take in stray litters but now they switched to only designer dogs. I am very disappointed in them.

But I just wanted to clarify the difference between pet shop animals. The locally owned ones I mentioned are about as good as going ot the pound. The animals have little vet attention, and no one knows anything about them.
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Old 07-24-2006, 09:59 AM
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just type in puppy millls/farms on google and you will see why we all hate them. a good breeder, will health test the parents, will rase the pups at home, will breed the dogs to make the breed better and will show and compete, they will often stay in touch with all the pups they have bred and so on
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