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Old 07-05-2004, 12:13 PM
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Seeing how im new im crusing around the forums and found this one I had to respond too. I agree with not allowing your dog to wander even if your out in the country, ranchers will protect their livestock and I live in a 250 sub division with ranchers all over. A neighbor allowed their shephard dog to wander into this other neighbors yard that had goats and horses and small dogs and children all behind appropriate fences. The owner met with the other one and called me over as a witness, should the dog be allowed to wander in their yard again, it will be shot on sight and not returned. Stubborn headed didn't listen and now there is one less dog in the world. Even though the dog wasn't in harms mode to any of the animals, the owner didn't like it and warned the dog owner. I clapped with glee what had happened and although i don't own livestock, I can't shoot any animals,(i would if law allowed) but i bring the dog to the shelter and if it still becomes loose, then I take care of it. People even in the country need to wise up and get rid of your animals if you think you own the country side. You are unaware of the annoyance your animals pose on others.
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Old 07-05-2004, 12:23 PM
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German Shepherds are in real danger when they roam in agricultural areas; they look too much like coyotes, especially at dusk and at night.

Another thing that is happening is that dogs roaming loose are mating with coyotes, producing pups that don't have any innate fear of being around humans, but are still wild predators. These crosses are extremely dangerous.
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Old 07-06-2004, 02:45 AM
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"I clapped with glee what had happened and although i don't own livestock, I can't shoot any animals,(i would if law allowed)"

Is there something enjoyable about shooting someone else's dog or any animal for that matter? I find this quote rather disgusting but that is simply my opinion. I don't understand the inhumanity and lack of heart that some people posess...especially some country folk that I've spoken to...dogs should definately be kept off of people's property..but there is absolutely NO reason why someone should shoot the dog.... I'll keep your comment in mind the next time some kid or the mailman walks across my lawn alright Diggy?
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Old 07-06-2004, 09:05 AM
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A better solution would be for the owner to be fined and required to attend a class on responsible pet ownership, much like traffic school. The best solution would be for people to talk to each other, reasonably and rationally, gain an understanding, and solve the problem.

I don't like killing; I can't imagine being gleeful at the death of any animal, especially since it is the owner's fault, pure and simple. I dread the evening I'm out with Charlie and he shoots a coyote, even, but must admit I won't try to stop him as it becomes a choice between the coyote and the safety of Bimmer or the puppies. I've had to school myself to remember, too, that dogs are predators and as long as they are going to eat what they kill, or reduce the barn rat population (which they evidently recognize as vermin and don't eat - the coyotes have decimated the wild barn cat population around here) and don't kill just for the sport of it, I can accept that.

As for neighbor's dogs chasing our cows, well, our dogs don't let them. Charlie's fired off shots over some dogs' heads in the past, and was angry enough to shoot the dogs if they showed up again, since at the time he had dairy cows and they are extremely vulnerable to dogs in ways that beef cattle aren't, but he spoke to the owners, and although a couple of them didn't see the harm in their dogs chasing cows, they kept them up afterward.

I believe North Carolina has passed a very intelligent law requiring developers to leave a buffer zone between residential developments and agricultural property. This type of requirement could alleviate many situations before they get started.

So, Diggy, please put yourself in that dog's skin for a moment. . .

You're running and playing and chasing and having a great time. No one's taught you that you shouldn't be there; your master lets you do it and pays no attention to the other man who chases you, so it must be part of the game. It's fun, it's a wonderful day. Look, that man's come out to play again. If you bark, you'll get his attention and he'll play with you. More fun! Noise. Pain, Confusion. Can't move. Can't get home. Alone. Dark. . .

Maybe you lie there, panting with fear, you hear your name called, but no one looks for you. Then night comes, and the coyotes find you. . .

Kind of puts a different perspective on it, doesn't it. And please remember, I can speak to BOTH sides of this issue.

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Old 07-06-2004, 01:50 PM
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now that i've read along with this thread and everybody's replies, i can definitely see from both points of view too. people who have dogs in the country don't want to have to keep them pinned up all the time, but people who aren't "dog people" don't want random dogs wandering around their property. makes sense. there has to be a happy medium. what i don't get is why you would want to shot somebody else's dog? i mean most dogs are like their owners' children, at least i know my mom refers to our dog as her "eternal toddler" or her third child. when i read your response, diggy, i had to read it over and over again like three times because i didn't believe that you were actually saying it made you "gleeful" when someone's dog was shot. that just makes me cringe.
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Old 07-08-2004, 10:36 PM
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AAAAAAHHHHH! I'm going to rant about people who move out to the country and bring their rotten suburbs with them!

There is a developer (is there a special level of Hell just for them?) who bought a large family farm from an aging lady down the road from us. He had to do it dishonestly by having someone else purchase it for him because she'd already run him off and told him she'd never sell to him. Well, he's subdivided it and now we've got idiots charging up and down the road, stopping in the middle of the road, and letting their poor, clueless city dogs run loose at night! We even caught one moron cutting a stand of bamboo that belongs to the people who own the farm next to us - growing inside the fence - because they needed it for a Bible School project. They didn't even ask; they just took it. It's been awhile since I read it, but isn't there something somewhere in that same Bible they're teaching about stealing? Or are there different rules if you're doing it for church? But I digress in my rant.

Last night, someone's very naive hound wandered into the woods in our front pasture, at least a quarter, if not half, mile away from the "compound." Well, the poor thing found some skunks, not too far from our bedroom window, got himself sprayed, stunk up everything, and proceeded to howl and bay for another hour or so. I stayed awake even after the howling stopped, straining to hear any sound of coyotes. I was so worried that the poor, dumb critter was going to get himself eaten that it took forever to fall back asleep.
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Old 07-09-2004, 12:09 AM
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sorry that your country space is being distrupted! another family that we're friends with live out in the country and the same thing is happening to them- well minus the whole dishonest purchase of the land... (why would someone do that? oh wow, i think i know! MONEY- amazing how low people are willing to sink for money) well i hope these people get some sense knocked into them and realize the dangers of letting their city dog roam around, especially during the night...
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Old 07-09-2004, 08:44 AM
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They look at our big dogs with fear and loathing, having absolutely no clue that there are times when the only thing that stands between them and the coyotes having complete domination over the area - including their yards (unfenced, of course) - is our big, scary dogs. On the other side of the crossroads, where the farmland has been almost completely bought up and there are no big dogs the coyotes do what they please and go where they please. They even think that our dogs are the only thing that would hurt theirs, when in reality, even Bimmer isn't dog aggressive unless the other dog begins the aggression, behaves badly toward his two "girls" or chases cows. My bunch is almost too happy to have buddies, and Bimmer's always up for another student in his hunting school. I've gotta admit though, that I don't know that Bimmer would welcome a hound, since he's of the mind that hunting is best done quietly. Hmmm, wonder if he could teach that poor hound dog not to bay?
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