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Old 06-15-2004, 05:58 AM
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I am sorry for I posted my questions in the introduction section.

Yesterday I tried with dragging my dog with the leash when he do not listen to the ‘sit’ and ‘stay’ command. He did listen to me very fine, but the next time when I tried to hold his leash he grabbed my hand. I tried a lot, but he just rest himself down on his back and try to avoid me taking hold of his lease. This problem also comes when I try to put on the chain. He don’t allow me to put on his chain, I praise him (like Good boy, Very Good boy) when he do the things that I expect, but suddenly when I praise him he starts biting me. As of this no one dares to put the leash on him nor dare to take him out for a walk. Also while I take him to walk, he jumps on the coming vehicle, or on the people those are walking around. I tried to stop him by ‘NO’ command, but in vain. He just stop for the while, but again when another vehicle comes on he again jumps over it.

He do listen to the trainer. I even tried with having the trainer with me and taking him to walk, but at that time he behaves very well. He listen to all the commands nor he jumps on the vehicles or the people around. That’s amazing!!! And once the trainer leaves then he is again with the old mischief’s.

These two problems viz. biting and jumping on the vehicles seems to be dangerous to me. How can I get rid of these problems.

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Old 06-15-2004, 08:48 AM
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Don't worry too much about where you originally posted the thread. We can actually move it if we really need to - no big deal!
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Old 06-16-2004, 01:41 AM
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Hi
Thats really great.

As per yesterday, I have started with the first point the make him roll over I gently, but firmly, press the dog into a laying position, then roll it over on its back, holding it there for a few seconds with my hand on its chest. But he tries to catch my hand, and was never in a still position. I thought that this is the first time he is going through the procedure… so I repeated the procedure but when I do the same again, he became more wilder than previous. After doing the following, he gets up and starts biting over more hard… is this behavior of his expected for first few days or does he require some additional work to be done?

Is it suitable to put the muzzle over to go with this problem? I don’t know if my question is correct or not, because I want my GSD to get rid of biting problem and this is the first pet we are having!!! We all love him very much, but just want to get rid of some problems.

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Old 06-16-2004, 08:14 AM
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He's resisting submission. This is one point you can't give in on; if you do, you'll never get control of him. You've just got to make him submit every time he starts the biting. Do it again and again until he does what you want him to do. It will be something you'll need to do periodically throughout his life, even after you've got control and it will just be a reminder and reinforcement.

I don't know why I haven't asked this before: has he been neutered? If not, it might very well help with this dominance problem.

He's at the age now where he's roughly the equivalent of a human teenager - hormones raging, rebellious and hard to handle. And, right now, he knows you're afraid of his teeth! It may be painful, but you're going to have to enduresome nips in this process in order to succeed in the end. You must also use a stern voice, but not a loud voice. A loud voice will only excite him, and any kind of squealling noise or yelping will excite his natural prey drive and make him bite more. It will also erode your dominance training. So, no yelping when it hurts, no jerking your hands back, just dive in and let him know you're the boss and he's going to stop.

Yes, it sounds easier than it is, but it's really not awfully difficult. You'll get it done if you keep at it.

Keep us posted.

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Old 06-16-2004, 08:57 AM
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Hi
Yes you are perfectly right, he is not been neutered till yet. I was to ask this questions, because I have seen some symptoms about the same (like erection). oh, can this also be the problem?

Thanks for the suggestion.

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Old 06-16-2004, 09:05 AM
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That can be a real contributing factor to your problem. You might want to address that very soon. It won't magically cure the dominance problem, but it should certainly help.
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Old 06-16-2004, 05:17 PM
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Renee's right, you should try talking to him in a stern voice when he bites. If he starts hurting you and you really really really want him to get off of you it's going to brake your hand, you should spank him off of you with your other hand. Maybe he's well-behaved in front of your trainer because of something your trainer does, you should watch your trainer the next time they visit and memorise what they do.
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Old 06-16-2004, 06:41 PM
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I have this same problem (overwhelming puppy problem) but my dog and I are working through it. My 1/2 GSD/1/2 husky will grab my hand when I am trying to put on his leash for a walk. What I do is tell him a stern, overwhelming NO! and then try it again. If he does it again, I do the same thing. If he keeps doing it, I will make him rollover on his stomach. If he still is trying to grab my hand, then I discipline, and ignore him for at least a half hour (he goes without a walk). I have neutered my dog and he still has this problem, so just a warning that neutering may not solve all your problems. What is interesting in my case, is that my dog, Caesar, has complete respect for my husband (kind of like your trainer). But, I have learned this is because my husband does not let our dog get away with anything, and our dog knows this. I am sometimes too soft, and so I think Caesar knows that he can push things farther with me. Perhaps your dog knows that the trainer means business and will not put up with any antics, where with you, he thinks it's playtime. My dog will obey a command to "sit" also and then seconds later try to grab my hand again.

I have been reading the dog training book by the Monks of New Skete called "How to Be Your Dog's Best Friend." It was recommended to me here on this forum and I highly believe it to be one of the best books I have ever read. By understanding how to communicate with your dog, when to discipline, how to discipline, and how to train your dog, I believe I have come further with my dog in the last week that in the 2 months before that. One thing that the Monks suggest is when you say NO to your dog you should be overdramatic. It should come out as a loud, resounding, I mean it, NO. The Monks also suggest that when you are disciplining your dog to talk to him. Say NO, and then while your are disciplining tell him why he is a bad dog... I know it sounds silly but today when my dog was misbehaving and I could not get him anchored to discipline him, I just knelt down to his level, made eye contact, and started telling him that I was really angry with him because he ran off and that he was a really bad dog, and that I was hurt by his behavior and on and on. While I was talking to him, he dropped his eye contact, and then I put him on his stomach all the while still talking to him about what a bad dog he was. While he was in this submissive position, he did not once try to grab my hand. We then got up and I put him in the garage and ignored him for half an hour. He has been listening to me beautifully, and has not grabbed or nipped me yet (until probably tomorrow!).

Hope some of this helps...
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Old 06-16-2004, 06:54 PM
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One more thing...
I think it is very important that you do NOT give up on your dog until you have shown him who is boss. I just read your last thread where everyone is scared of him and no one will touch him except two people. If you try to put his leash on him and he bites you hard, I think you really need to keep at it until you have put the leash on him without him biting you. This might take some discipline. Like I said, my dog does the EXACT same thing, and I spend anywhere from 10 minutes every morning correcting this problem. My dog is also very mouthy when doing anything. You have to have major patience with these guys, but it is worth it! The point is, don't let him get what he wants until he obeys you. If he really likes his walks, then he shouldn't get to go until he lets you put the leash on him without biting. When I am playing with Caesar, I also like to put a toy or bone in his mouth if he starts biting too hard so that he knows biting is okay on a toy or bone but NOT my hand!
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Old 06-16-2004, 08:37 PM
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I'm -er- hesitant at suggesting this because... well, I'll spare you the long story... At the shelter as one of the last resorts (we really don't like using "force" methods esp. bcz of their unknown backgrounds) we use halti head halters, not for walking, but for biting. It sort of follows what the others are saying, you can't give in to him! He needs to learn to submit to you and this may help as an alternative to a full out muzzle, and this may teach him instead of fully restraining his mouth to where he has no choice but not to bite. The halti closes the dogs mouth when pulled taught. So it be like this; correcting him -"No" and if he does not stop make him submit to you and pull his jaws closed with the halti (with your free hand?)

Neutering him will help, but it won't fix the behaiviors he's already learned...

~With the spanking thing, its hard to say without knowing your dog personally, but I'd like to warn you that if you have a dog that thinks he is higher than you and you spank him, he could very well turn on you if you know what I mean. I'm not sugesting that he will, just wanted to warn ya Bcz its happened
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