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So I've been looking at a lot if GSD breeder websites, especially German show line dogs. I have a couple if questions about structure that I was hoping someone could answer...

Are all of the German showline dogs really that roach backed, or is it th way they are stacked? They also seem fairly sloped to me in the hindquarters--does this (plus the each back) have a negative effect on their athletic ability?
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its how they are shaped, and yes, it has a huge detrimental effect on their movement and health
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It has no more a negative effect than the American's sloped backs. That said, you can find less extreme versions of both lines. My priscilla had a slight roach back but nowhere near to the extremes, which I think is due to her being from primarily working german lines.
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Some look more roached from the stack, some are very much roached without it. I can't say I care much for it myself.

How does it affect their athletic ability?

I don't know, most showline dogs i've worked are generally bigger, slower, and less driven. That is a general statement because some are very athletic and driven, but it's fewer and farther between.

Like always, go see the dogs, do you like how they move? can they change direction on a dime, accelerate quickly, zero to top speed and back to zero quickly? can they jump? If they have a bunch of dogs that can move how you want them too and well into adulthood, who cares what I have to say

I know what I see when I work dogs, to me, the extremes don't do anything for me except extremely turn me off. But that's me
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I know some German Showline breeders who don't.breed for extremes and whose dogs can also.work very very well.

You will find extremes if you look. So, no, not all German Shorelines are built like that.
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They also seem fairly sloped to me in the hindquarters--does this (plus the each back) have a negative effect on their athletic ability?
The extreme sloped backs can certainly have a negative effect on their athletic ability. There is one that runs agility around here. It is painful to watch because the dog is clearly physically struggling to perform. The last time I saw the dog I had to turn away from the ring, I couldn't watch it anymore.

That said, as others have said, an extreme is an extreme - not all of them are bred to that extent.
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There are some who are obviously worse than others. I know a good handful of WGSL dogs that have a slope (as according to the breed standard) and they are titled in multiple sport venues without any detrimentel effects on the way they move...

My own male is half WGSL and is IPO3 twice at only 4 years old. He gets along just fine.


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Gator-I do really like how your boy looks. Is it common for the German showlines to be crossed with working lines?

I keep researching breeds and keep coming back to GSDs and labs...
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Are all of the German showline dogs really that roach backed, or is it th way they are stacked? They also seem fairly sloped to me in the hindquarters--does this (plus the each back) have a negative effect on their athletic ability?
Yes most German showlines are roachy, some very much so and some hardly at all. Often the way they are stacked exaggerates it, they tend to look better standing on their own. There's some very nice German showline dogs out there, structure wise and some not so nice ones - just like any other type of GSD. They have gotten more rear in recent times for sure, although still generally not as much as a typical American showline. And they don't IME tend to have the loose ligaments Amline GSDs are prone to. There are tricks to make them look more extreme in the rear in stacked pictures too, although of course, the dogs have to have some length in the thigh bones to accomplish it. So again, it's nice to see the dogs standing on their own or a video or see them in person.

Can too much length of rear leg bones hinder a dog's athletic ability? Sure. So can too little. German Showlines still are bred to SV standards so they still have to get a conformation rating, a working title (which is only an IPO or HGH) and a hip rating.

This page has some nice examples of GSLs:
http://www.vomhausmiller.com/Importe...erd%20dogs.htm

Are you looking to get a GSL?
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