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Old 11-08-2013, 10:06 PM
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Sorry! I haven't had a chance to reply to anything this week, crazy busy! See my answers above.
That's okay, lol, I was wondering if you and Linds both fell off the face of the earth though! lol

I've been practicing my own throwing (with Ozzy, because he can actually catch them ) instead of trying to throw differently with a dog who's inexperienced. I'm just now learning the forehand throw and the disc is all over the freaking place lol. With the backhand I can use my arm or my wrist to snap it out, and they generally go exactly where I want them to go. I'll definitely have to practice getting the disc to hover. I know it can be done because I've done it unintentionally, I suppose it's also just a matter of practice.

I'm going to keep making Oz fetch them though lol, it's easier than running out to fetch the disc myself every time, though that might be a sufficient motivator for me to get it right, hahaha
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Old 11-09-2013, 08:24 AM
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I'm going to keep making Oz fetch them though lol, it's easier than running out to fetch the disc myself every time, though that might be a sufficient motivator for me to get it right, hahaha
I really, really recommend throwing without a dog while you are trying new throws. Find someone to go out with you, so that you can practice aiming for something which will help your throw tremendously. Also, you aren't putting your dog in danger by throwing weird throws that they may have to jump and twist to catch.
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Old 11-09-2013, 11:57 AM
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That's okay, lol, I was wondering if you and Linds both fell off the face of the earth though! lol
Sorry! I've been mainlining Supernatural lately. Yes, I am using that as an excuse because as sad as it is it's pretty much spot on

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Today I discovered Feist is an absolute disc monster, we did some rollers in the yard (and for the first time ever, she retrieved). Can't wait for her to get big so we can start training.
Yay!! Lots of foundation stuff you can start And tricks, soooo many tricks!

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Thank you!

I started out with rollers, but she was so driven for the disc that I ended up just doing short throws, and the throws that turn into flips. She catches those fine, and tonight she was less "LET ME SHOVE IT INTO MY MOUTH" than yesterday. She also appreciates tugging on the disc quite a bit, so there's no lack of drive. I think it's a lack of coordination.

She still doesn't reach a flying disc in time to catch it in the air, and when she does she usually waits for it to land. I don't reward those with tugging, but if she does snag it out of the air I reward with tugging. I praise heavily for even fetching a disc from the ground though, but no tugging. I make her drop it when she gets to me. She likes the tugging quite a bit.
Pretty much what everyone said, practice, practice, practice.

I put off throwing sooo long with Didgie because she wasn't catching them so I just kept doing rollers. Sara finally yelled at me and I buckled down and started throwing and things started coming together.

Shorter throws while slowly increasing distance and throwing like Sara said should help a lot along with takes that she has to work at a little bit, either make her move towards you to grab them or jump up a bit. Help her figuring out how to grab them best and that jumping up to grab them is entirely possible!

Also, how are you throwing? Multiple discs? Is she doing an 'around' you to get them? Starting in front of you or at your side? Are you throwing them back and forth so she runs across you each time to get it?

And good job rewarding heavily each time she catches!! That's going to help a lot!

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Now... when you say to limit tugging, we don't play tug for 3-5 minutes straight, I use it to reward her for chasing after the disc, catching it, etc. So whatever we're doing (rollers, throws, etc) I encourage her to bring the disc back to me and we tug for a couple seconds, then I throw it again. But now the problem is that she is reluctant to tug when she brings it back. Do I just throw it again? Give her a food reward? I tried switching to something she can tug with as the reward for chasing, catching, and returning the disc... but that just made her lose complete interest in the disc.
Traveler isn't a huge tugging fiend. It's getting better more and more I work on it but it still isn't intrinsically rewarding yet. I use longer throws for him and sometimes rollers for him as rewards. Those keep his head in the game better than tugging right now and keep his interest longer.

So basically I would feel around for what she finds most rewarding in that. Food can work, but like Sara said you might want to fade that out pretty fast.
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Old 11-09-2013, 01:20 PM
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Traveler isn't a huge tugging fiend. It's getting better more and more I work on it but it still isn't intrinsically rewarding yet. I use longer throws for him and sometimes rollers for him as rewards. Those keep his head in the game better than tugging right now and keep his interest longer.

So basically I would feel around for what she finds most rewarding in that. Food can work, but like Sara said you might want to fade that out pretty fast.
It's hard to get my head around because she LOVES tug. Just... not with plastic. She will tug like a fiend with a tug toy, with a fabric disc, with a rubber disc... but not with a plastic one. I'm getting some Super Aeros and SofFlites this weekend though so maybe she'll be more geared up for tugging with those since they're more flexible.

New problem is that we can basically never work outside in our backyard anymore. Too cold and too dark except during the day. We are almost entirely working at our indoor location, but it is relatively new. Although I've gotten her onto the tug toy well there we are still having issues with the disc. Also, I can't do rollers there because the footing is sand. Boo.

But yes, I'm hoping softer discs will help. I don't think food is the answer because I think she will lose interest in the disc and just want food. Longer throws/rollers is a good idea (except rollers are out now at the indoor arena and she can't catch longer throws yet). Well, we'll see. Hoping for a disc dog workshop sometime this winter.
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Old 11-09-2013, 08:37 PM
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It's hard to get my head around because she LOVES tug. Just... not with plastic. She will tug like a fiend with a tug toy, with a fabric disc, with a rubber disc... but not with a plastic one. I'm getting some Super Aeros and SofFlites this weekend though so maybe she'll be more geared up for tugging with those since they're more flexible.
My husband's dog wasn't a huge tugger forever, the super aero's helped sooo much. Even now, when we are in a new environment and he's a little too distracted to tug, I'll have my husband pull out the super aero's. Now we can get him to tug on anything, but no way that would've happened right away!
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Old 11-09-2013, 11:48 PM
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Pretty much what everyone said, practice, practice, practice.

I put off throwing sooo long with Didgie because she wasn't catching them so I just kept doing rollers. Sara finally yelled at me and I buckled down and started throwing and things started coming together.

Shorter throws while slowly increasing distance and throwing like Sara said should help a lot along with takes that she has to work at a little bit, either make her move towards you to grab them or jump up a bit. Help her figuring out how to grab them best and that jumping up to grab them is entirely possible!

I'm slowly increasing distance by having her wait in position while I back up and throwing them directly to her. She's improved in that department by a LOT. I also looked up some vids for teaching flips to catch the disc by throwing up and slightly behind the dogs head, and she's getting that down pretty well too, so she's aware she can snag them out of the air. She's also putting together that catching in the air = tugging, so hopefully it won't be long before we're doing longer distance throws.

Also, how are you throwing? Multiple discs? Is she doing an 'around' you to get them? Starting in front of you or at your side? Are you throwing them back and forth so she runs across you each time to get it?

I'm throwing backhand, if that counts, because I can put the disc exactly where I want it by throwing that way (not so much on throwing forehand, I never knew that was a thing until looking up disc videos) She normally starts in front of me, but I've been teaching an around so she can build up some speed before the disc is ever thrown. She enjoys that a lot, but she's often faster than me and can grab it right before it leaves my hand I should also mention we don't have a flat space to work in, my front yard is uphill and then there are trees, so two discs haven't come into play yet. I'm going to take them both to the park or a baseball field soon so I can work with throwing two discs back and forth as they cross in front of me. I think that will help both of them a lot.

And good job rewarding heavily each time she catches!! That's going to help a lot!
Also, thanks Sara! I'm hoping Ozzy and I can get a routine down and maybe visit a few competitions down here. If he has work to focus on, he's less inclined to be reactive or bark his fool head off at other dogs, so we'll be practicing some stuff and see what I can come up with. I want to teach him a vault, but I'm not sure where to start with that one, or even which vault to start with. He'd be easiest to teach a stall to as well, but I think I'm going to teach a back stall instead of a foot stall first. I'm working on building up my own leg strength, and I don't want to drop him on top of me and damage his confidence. Not that I really think that would bother him, being dropped, but I think me yelling out might keep him from wanting to try again
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Old 11-12-2013, 01:47 PM
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Update: Kili likes the new discs. Still doesn't want to tug with them anymore, but yesterday we played at our new indoor arena for the first time and man can the girl catch! My camera had died but next time we're there I'll get some footage as proof!
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Old 11-19-2013, 08:00 PM
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Alright guys, I need some help.

I am not sure if it has been the switch to canine discs (even though I've got the softest ones I could... Super Aeros and SofFlites) or the move to an indoor sand arena (can't do rollers and the dogs can't pick the discs up if they drop without getting a mouthful of sand)... but Kili has lost complete interest in the disc.



As you can see... I have resorted to acting like a total fool. Throwing the disc and chasing after it, having a party with it. She's excited until I suggest she actually do something. Then she's like "nope... I'm going to go sniff or eat horse poop or just look around". I've tried racing her to the disc and if I get there first the disc is mine and I get to have a huge party. That tactic worked GREAT when I was trying to get her onto tug toys... doesn't seem so great with the disc. What I also did (not on video though) was let her watch from her crate as I played with Summit. Summit is happy to chase and retrieve most things I throw and act like a huge fun loving baffoon about it. Which got Kili SCREAMING in her crate. I thought "well, I'm not going to let you have it now that you want it". Then that last segment in the video... I had just finished doing some rally practice with her and for whatever reason it got her totally JACKED so I broke out the disc and that was the best all night.

Right now I'm thinking my plan is to play with the disc with Summit every time we go to the indoor (once to twice a week) for a couple of sessions and not let Kili have a disc AT ALL. Let her get super peeved that I'm having fun with Summit. Then break the disc out randomly one session and see what happens.

What else can I do? Why is she so turned off by the disc all of a sudden? You've seen all our early training... it was always FUN FUN FUN! There have been only the two changes... disc change (no more tugging, she doesn't like the harder plastic) and location change.

Thanks for any thoughts or ideas!
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Old 11-20-2013, 04:56 PM
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I don't kow that this is specifically disc dog related, but Talon just showed me he can jump on my back like it's no big deal!

I know that's probably not much for most of you guys, but Talon's rear has always been a bit weak compared to his front. I tried getting him to jump on my back a long while ago, but he use to claw and climb rather than jump. It wasn't fear of getting on something unstable, it was the work to jump up. We than worked on jumping up to a platform and balancing a bit, but haven't done that in over a month.

I don't know where it came from, but I kinda leaned down suddenly to play with Art and suddenly Talon was on my back! He didn't claw, or struggle to get up either. He just landed on my back like a feather!! I was so shocked, and excited! I did it a few more times and he did so good.

I'm mostly excited because it tells me his back end is indeed getting stronger! Now I get to continue to work on balance and strength!
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I don't kow that this is specifically disc dog related, but Talon just showed me he can jump on my back like it's no big deal!

I know that's probably not much for most of you guys, but Talon's rear has always been a bit weak compared to his front. I tried getting him to jump on my back a long while ago, but he use to claw and climb rather than jump. It wasn't fear of getting on something unstable, it was the work to jump up. We than worked on jumping up to a platform and balancing a bit, but haven't done that in over a month.

I don't know where it came from, but I kinda leaned down suddenly to play with Art and suddenly Talon was on my back! He didn't claw, or struggle to get up either. He just landed on my back like a feather!! I was so shocked, and excited! I did it a few more times and he did so good.

I'm mostly excited because it tells me his back end is indeed getting stronger! Now I get to continue to work on balance and strength!
That's so awesome!

I also recently had some breakthroughs with Onyx's back stall, it is really exciting!

Although (I was warned!) she totally has started doing it randomly when I bend over now. I was out working in the bush the other day and she kept launching herself at me whenever I would bend over. Luckily I just think it's cute, and she hasn't tried doing it to anyone else yet...
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